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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL....you seem to be the one who doesn't "Get it". You act as if the definition of marriage has never changed over the course of history. "Marriage" used to mean a union of a man/woman who were of the same race. That definition has changed over the years.
    It's strange that you as an opponent to prop 8, are supportive of Rick Santorum... I just find it mildly ironic.
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Krasche View Post
    It's strange that you as an opponent to prop 8, are supportive of Rick Santorum... I just find it mildly ironic.
    Disney has this obnoxious shtick he's been doing for years for now where he facetiously acts like he's a big supporter of whatever Republican of the moment he wants to attack, degrade, insult, mock, and belittle to highlight that he wants the Republicans to rally behind that person because he thinks it'd make his side have an easier chance at winning.

    Makes you wonder why he thinks his side is so ****ty that he's so desperate to get Republicans to rally behind people he seems to think are the most unappealing and worst possible options.

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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Krasche View Post
    It's strange that you as an opponent to prop 8, are supportive of Rick Santorum... I just find it mildly ironic.
    Actually, I believe he is supporting Santorum because Romney has a better chance of beating Obama.
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Okay, poochily speaking, your perspective would force dog owners to let cat owners enter their cats in a dog show via appeal to "separate but equal".

    And of course, that's ludicrous to allow cats in a dog show .. just as it is ludicrous for gays to have a marriage contract, marriage being between straights by definition.

    Before separate but equal is applied jurists first examine the matter to see if it makes sense before determing if there is a valid state interest in the matter.

    Since the opposite of Prop 8 is to include gays in marriage, non-politicized jurists would rightly reject challenge to Prop 8 on those grounds, that the opposite violates the very definition of words and would thus be nonsensical to consider.

    It's like as if the CA legislature passed a bill that said "Window panes in CA will now be made of cardboard to improve visibility". If the law was tossed by a judge, would analyzing for legitimate state interest be the first thing jurists deciding an appeal attempt? Of course not, that would be ridiculous! The first thing jurists would do would be to assess the structure of the law from a common sense perspective .. and they would overturn the law on that basis before they ever got to the legitimate state interest analysis and its separate but equal test.

    The same holds true here. By definition marriage is between "a man and a woman as husband and wife", so proper non-politicized review of Prop 8 by an appellate court would be to reject overturning of Prop 8 by simple appeal to common sense definition of words, as, considering that marriage is, by definition, "between a man and a woman as husband and wife", there is no equating gay and straight committed couple relationships via the word marriage, and the jurists would rightly never have gotten to the legitimate state interest analysis and its separate but equal test in the Prop 8 matter.

    You selectively quote from my previous post to meet your ideology, but there was also this in that post:

    Committed gay couples have every 14th Amendment right to have a domestic partnership civil union constract like committed straight couples have .. they just can't call it marriage, by virtue of simple test of definition.

    Again, that's a win-win for everyone, gays and straights.

    It sometimes boggles my mind how those opposing Prop 8 just don't get it.
    Since when is a dog show run by the government? Since when does being involved in a dog show give participants rights and benefits that those participants in a cat show cannot get?

    Plus, it isn't win-win because the people have to pay for the fact that we would have two full sets of laws covering the same basic legal contract, with the only difference being the name of the contract. That is just stupid and a complete waste of tax-payer dollars just to promote discrimination.
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    W-w-w-what? Are you insane? A man cannot nurture a child? Maybe therein lies the problem, you have a backwards view of what being a father is all about. I would argue that the best fathers out there are the ones that take the time to love and nurture their children and I think most people would agree.
    Preception is reality. I do not think he is insane at all in his opinion having walked a mile in his shoes.

    A man cannot nurture a child when he spends months at sea and bounces from duty station to duty station, and does it for a career. A looooong career. That is NP's reality and therefore his perception is understandable.

    However, that reality does not pertain to all men. I think that's where NP gets tripped up. But he means well.

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