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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    And, of course, completely irrelevant to Prop 8.

    Prop 8 is about marriage, not parenthood. Prop 8 seeks to reiterate for CA government administrators that there is one and only one set of proper recipients of a marriage license: a man and a woman as husband and wife.
    According to the proponents of Prop 8 parenthood is very relevent.

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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It is also supporting the establishment of a religion, hence unconstitutional.
    What religion did it establish as a state religion?

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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    According to the proponents of Prop 8 parenthood is very relevent.

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    No, that's not true as cited.

    The link you cite indicates that was how the defense of Prop 8 was presented .. but, the only reason they went that route is because they weren't allowed to present the case the way it rightly should have been presented: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1060196618.
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    What religion did it establish as a state religion?
    The state is trying to enforce gender norms established by Christianity.
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    No, that's not true as cited.

    The link you cite indicates that was how the defense of Prop 8 was presented .. but, the only reason they went that route is because they weren't allowed to present the case the way it rightly should have been presented: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1060196618.
    If they were to argue purely on what the definition of the word marriage is then you would still lose. All that it would take to dismiss your definition of marriage is to prove that...

    1: Gay marriage has happened in the past. (which it has) Wiki ~ Same-sex marriage ~ in the Ancient section

    2: That the definition of the word marriage has changed in the past. (which it has) Marriage between the races was once considered "un-natural" and as such the definition of marriage included that concept.

    3: That there are other, different types of marriages. (which there is) Polygamy, monogamy, and polyandry.

    4: That the use of marriage has changed. (which it has) Marriage was once used as a way to make Houses stronger and or to settle disputes and love had absolutely nothing to do with marriage.
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The state is trying to enforce gender norms established by Christianity.
    And also held by a plethora of other religions and people throughout history as well. Murder is also something disallowed by Christianity, it must be a establishing religion to disallow that as well.

    Sorry, but the stretch doesn't work. There's nothing at all in our constitution that denies indivdiual voters from using any method of philosophy or moral thinking in terms of what guides their hand in voting and there's nothing inherent in this law that specifically establishes Christianity as something citizens have to believe in or be ruled over by.

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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    There's nothing at all in our constitution that denies indivdiual voters from using any method of philosophy or moral thinking in terms of what guides their hand in voting...
    There is the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment.
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    There is the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment.
    I never implied that it was unconstitutional, only that it was not establishing a religion.

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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The state is trying to enforce gender norms established by Christianity.
    No. You are getting way way carried away.
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