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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Abolish marriage. Problems solved.
    No. This causes there to be a need for a lot more paperwork involved in custody, legalities, assets, medical decision and visitation, and many, many more things that marriage laws cover with one simple legal document.
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No, gay marriage is not going to lead to all that stuff just as interracial marriage didn't lead to the fall of America.

    Unfortunately, if you cannot see the difference between how gay marriage came around and why child molestation cannot, there is no point in discussing this with you further. You have an irrational fear of gay marriage.
    Guess you missed the part where I said I don't oppose gay marriage huh? Or you forgot to read where there is a REAL law suit about polygamy as well? As most of your kind do, you fell back on the old "well, you're just scared of gays" argument. I'm not scared of gays and don't oppose gay marriage. What's you argument now?
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Guess you missed the part where I said I don't oppose gay marriage huh? Or you forgot to read where there is a REAL law suit about polygamy as well? As most of your kind do, you fell back on the old "well, you're just scared of gays" argument. I'm not scared of gays and don't oppose gay marriage. What's you argument now?
    When you FEAR that gay marriage will lead to child molestation, that is an IRRATIONAL FEAR. So yes, you fear gay marriage.

    As most of "your kind" do, you let irrational fears cloud your judgement.

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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    You really dont see the difference between a consenting adult and a 13 year old girl? Something is wrong with you bud.

    And reading the above it seems like the only problem most of you anti-gay marriage people have is that you think it will lead to child molestation. So you people really don't have a problem with gay marriage then?
    What in the world are you talking about?!! 1) Did you not read the first sentence? You know, the whole Devil's advocate thing? 2) I'm not anti-gay marriage. Maybe you should scan the rest of the thread before opening your mouth 3) What does gay marriage have to do with what I typed? All I simply said was that allowing gay marriage may encourage other groups to sue for similar rights. Such as the polygamy law suit pending right now. Guess you didn't read that either huh? You just jumped in the thread and commented on the first thing you saw. Do a little reading before you jump in and say something.....I'm going to stop. I already have 8 points on this website for calling people like you what they are.
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Children are not capable of consent, thus, not an issue that is in any way equal.

    These are really slippery sloppe fallacies that come up far too often.
    As I've said to TheNextEra, a polygamy lawsuit is already in the courts. I was simply providing proof that someone saw the gay marriage debate tipping towards the gay community and thought they could capitalize. I hope it doesn't happen. Just saying its a possibility. Who would've thought 20 years ago we'd be this close to allowing gay marriage? No one.
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    What in the world are you talking about?!! 1) Did you not read the first sentence? You know, the whole Devil's advocate thing? 2) I'm not anti-gay marriage. Maybe you should scan the rest of the thread before opening your mouth 3) What does gay marriage have to do with what I typed? All I simply said was that allowing gay marriage may encourage other groups to sue for similar rights. Such as the polygamy law suit pending right now. Guess you didn't read that either huh? You just jumped in the thread and commented on the first thing you saw. Do a little reading before you jump in and say something.....I'm going to stop. I already have 8 points on this website for calling people like you what they are.
    And those groups would have to present their own arguments to the courts, just as same sex marriage advocates have to.

    But, on top of that, since a 13 year old cannot take complete legal responsibility for themselves (I'm not even sure if a person can be a legally, fully emancipated minor at that age), there is no way they can take some legal responsibility for another adult. Now days, the marriage laws are changing in many states to not allow pregnant teens under the age of 16 (and in some states 17 and even 18) to get married just because they are pregnant without court approval. Even having parental consent doesn't get them a marriage that young in almost all (if not all) states.
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Just to be the devil's advocate, who are we to say the children can't be in a relationship with an adult? Why can't a 13 year old girl marry a 30 year old man?
    1. Age discrimination is a lower tier of the EPC than Gender
    2. The argument for disallowing children to get married, or have a relationship with an adult, is built upon the same foundation as all age discrimination things are such as not allowing kids to enter into contracts, curfew laws, laws against underage smoking and voting, and other such things. A firm argument to overturn just one of those would need to basically apply across the board.

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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    If gay marriage is found to be a right, then things such as polygamy, child molestation, etc will start to pop up.
    As you've already shown, things such as challenges on those issues ALREADY happen. See the pushes by NAMBLA in the 90's, the polygamists even like you've just pointed out, etc. That's nothing new.

    Additionally, because bad things may come out of doing the right thing doesn't mean you shouldn't do the right thing. Protecting the right of Christians to practice their religion in certain ways means that hardcore islamists also get that same protection or even other crazy cults...that doesn't mean we shouldn't fight for the rights of christians to practice their religion. If we argue that we should have free speech that means that the KKK can have parades proclaiming white supremacy or neo-nazi's can do rallies against the jews or that Westboro can proclaim that God Hates Fags and our military is evil......but because protecting Freedom of Speech would lead to more of those kind of crazy actions doesn't mean we shouldn't protect freedom of speech.

    As a military man, you should know as well as anyone else that simply because people may do the wrong things with the rights they have doesn't mean we shouldn't defend their right to do it.

    If its unconstitutional to prohibit same sex marriage, the belief that it may spur other groups to push for similar rights isn't a reason to fight against it.

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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    1. Age discrimination is a lower tier of the EPC than Gender
    There are no tiers in the Equal Protection Clause, nor is any protected class established by it. These originate from the Civil Rights Act of 1964, et seq.

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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You forget this is no way a done deal. All 11 judges of the 9th circuit will have to rule on it plus the SCOTUS.
    It was a joke that obviously flew over your head.

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