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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Do you have a link for that? I am talking percentage anyhow.
    You are the person asserting that the 9th is overruled more than any other court and you can't even back it up?

    Happy to see you haven't changed NP.
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    wow only 146 posts until the name calling started from you because I have a difference of opinion......and you call me the intolerant one...............what a joke.

    Just paraphrasing your own post. Looks like he who smelt it dealt it.
    Huh, I called you no name........You can fool the new members to DP Dan but you can't fool the old timers
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, the originators would have said it's none of the government's business. For a wannabe Conservative, you sure like to stick your nose into peoples' business, don't you?
    Your rear end if you think they would have back then........
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    It is interesting. I've been trying to get people to discuss the specific legalities of Prop 8 forever, and now that this appeal decision has finally forced people to do so, all you guys are doing is parroting the dissenting opinion. Are you even capable, in your own words, of concisely explaining why Prop 8 should be delegated to rational basis scrutiny and precisely what state interests are served by not allowing same sex couples to call their civil relationship "marriage"?
    There's The CT I know! Condescending and dismissive.

    Sorry. The burden is on your side, not mine.

    But here. The state has an interest in regulating marriage. It has no interest at all in expanding the traditionally understood definition of the term to include members of the same sex. Easy.

    Parroting the dissenting opinion. Jesus. I've quoted and paraphrased Reinhardt's opinion and Smith's. And my own words matter not one wit - I'm not on the court. And neither are you.

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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Huh, I called you no name........You can fool the new members to DP Dan but you can't fool the old timers
    No, you just keep on fooling yourself.
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    There's The CT I know! Condescending and dismissive.

    Sorry. The burden is on your side, not mine.
    How the hell is the burden on my side when the appeals court ruled that Prop 8 is unconstitutional? Shifting the burden of proof is pretty pathetic LD.

    But here. The state has an interest in regulating marriage. It has no interest at all in expanding the traditionally understood definition of the term to include members of the same sex. Easy.
    Irrelevant to this case. The Supreme Court of California already expanded the definition of marriage to include same sex couples. Prop 8 then came in and effectively took away the right for same sex couples to designate their civil partnerships as marriages. That means in order to justify Prop 8, you have to argue why the state has an interest in taking away the right for same sex couples to designate their civil partnerships as marriages.

    Can you explain in your own words what state interests Smith suggested might be served by upholding Prop 8?

    Parroting the dissenting opinion. Jesus. I've quoted and paraphrased Reinhardt's opinion and Smith's. And my own words matter not one wit - I'm not on the court. And neither are you.
    In the comment you made above, you just proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that you do not understand this case on the most basic level.
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    Assuming status quo, can you explain to me why this would be good for gays in states that currently deny civil unions equal benefits under law? It seems to me that it would disallow a "compromise" between the two sides in the form of equal benefits without changing the definition of marriage.

    Question to homosexual DPers: Is this even a compromise you would ever be willing to make? "Separate but equal" so to say. Is this a major point of contention you have with President Obama?
    Personally I think it has very little to do with gay marriage...........I have gay friends one on my golf team who could care less about gay marriage.....He would settle for civil unions.. I actually was friends with his partner to who died of AIDS He to did care about gay marriage.....I went to his funeral..he was a great guy.........the actual issue here that is being promoted by a few gay people and a whole bunch of feel good libs is acceptance of the gay life style as a suitable alternative life style to be taught to our children and that must not happen...... I don't care what gays or straights do in the privacy of their bedrooms, just don't tell me
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Yes he would be. He is not entitled to a right that a woman has, simply because he is a man.
    The woman has no right to marry a person of the same sex, either. You know better. (Or maybe you don't.) It's not a case of discrimination based on gender. Everyone has the same right to marry a person of the opposite sex.

    Maybe y'all should try testing that one next. See how far you get.

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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    The woman has no right to marry a person of the same sex, either. You know better. (Or maybe you don't.) It's not a case of discrimination based on gender. Everyone has the same right to marry a person of the opposite sex.

    Maybe y'all should try testing that one next. See how far you get.
    You have no understanding of the difference between "equal application" and "equal protection". I could make a law that argues that people are only allowed to marry their own race. That law would be considered "equal application" since only whites could marry whites and blacks could marry blacks. However, that law would not be equal protection since the government is arbitrarily using race to apply restrictions to civil rights. Same sex marriage bans are equal application but are not equal protection since the government is arbitrarily using sex to apply restrictions to civil rights.

    Nice try though. Pretending that "equal application of the law" is the same as "equal protection of the law" is the same strategy that was used by segregationists for decades. You have certainly fallen quite a bit if that is the playbook you have decided to borrow from in this debate.
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Show me how allowing SSM will lead to those things? Those are completely different to SSM, and are strawmen, a logical fallacy. You have no argument going down this train of thought. Of course you have no argument on any train of thought, but you should know that by now.
    If you allow it for gays why not other people. why are you for them and not giving the same rights to everyone?
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