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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

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    Separate but equal, is inherently unequal. It's against the Constitution, so it should not be law, if we wish to continue to be a nation of laws.
    Whether it's against the Constitution is the legal debate, and the status quo is that it's constitutional. Can I assume you would never accept "separate but equal" even if it meant the same legal benefits? Is this a single-issue for you? How do you reconcile your support for Obama with your belief that he stands for unequal, unconstitutional treatment of you?
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    Whether it's against the Constitution is the legal debate, and the status quo is that it's constitutional. Can I assume you would never accept "separate but equal" even if it meant the same legal benefits? Is this a single-issue for you? How do you reconcile your support for Obama with your belief that he stands for unequal, unconstitutional treatment of you?
    Do you have a better alternative available?

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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    Whether it's against the Constitution is the legal debate, and the status quo is that it's constitutional. Can I assume you would never accept "separate but equal" even if it meant the same legal benefits? Is this a single-issue for you? How do you reconcile your support for Obama with your belief that he stands for unequal, unconstitutional treatment of you?
    The status quo? You better show me some evidence of that. I do not see a bit of that in the Constitution.
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am sorry, I am not following what you are asking. Could you rephrase that please.
    Assume DOMA stands. How is this good for gays in states that don't recognize civil unions? If states have to legally define civil unions as marriage would it not increase opposition to recognizing them?
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

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    Do you have a better alternative available?
    I'm not saying the alternative is better. Personally, if I was gay and I felt that the President was acting unconstitutionally by discriminating against me there was no way I could vote for him.
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    [QUOTE=Navy Pride;1060182432]so should one be allowed to have 2 wives or husbands? {/QUOTE]

    Sure as long as an equitable solution can be found out. As it goes now with this one woman one man thing it causes a lot of problems and legal issues.

    should people be allowed to marry within the family (Non sexual for benefits allowed) That is the bucket of worms you open if you allow gay marriage..

    That is already covered and family does get legal rights to inheritance

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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The status quo? You better show me some evidence of that. I do not see a bit of that in the Constitution.
    If the SCOTUS determined it was unconstituional it would not be permitted by law. The passage of DOMA, which codifies the non-recognition of SSM at the federal level, is evidence enough.
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    Re: Court: CA gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    Whether it's against the Constitution is the legal debate, and the status quo is that it's constitutional. Can I assume you would never accept "separate but equal" even if it meant the same legal benefits? Is this a single-issue for you? How do you reconcile your support for Obama with your belief that he stands for unequal, unconstitutional treatment of you?
    A separate but equal institution is unconstitutional, that's pretty well established, so I would not support something that is unconstitutional. And it will only be a matter of time before the courts established that bans against SSM will be unconstitutional.

    Also you make the mistake assuming that I support Obama. Obama has been iffy on gay rights for me, he's been good on everything but SSM, though I think he will come out in support of it, if he gets a second term.
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