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    Re: Obama to announce Veterans Job Corps

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    I think it's important to the debate to include the fact that the veteran unemployment rate( 7.5) is lower than the national average (8.3)
    We have an all-volunteer military force in the US. Not taking care of veterans as made recruiting a much more difficult task and, since spots must be filled, it results in a less educated / qualified military force. This is not something we can afford to keep doing. I'm all for anything that will help attract and retain quality personnel. I consider that a matter of national security.

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    Re: Obama to announce Veterans Job Corps

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    Obama to announce Veterans Job Corps - The Federal Eye - The Washington Post

    This sounds like a wonderful idea to me. What do you think?
    I think it sounds like nothing more than another form of welfare.
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    Re: Obama to announce Veterans Job Corps

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    Man if someone had told me the military had unicorns I would have signed up!
    You didn't know that? Where you been? Libbos are soooooo uninformed!
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    Re: Obama to announce Veterans Job Corps

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    We have an all-volunteer military force in the US. Not taking care of veterans as made recruiting a much more difficult task and, since spots must be filled, it results in a less educated / qualified military force. This is not something we can afford to keep doing. I'm all for anything that will help attract and retain quality personnel. I consider that a matter of national security.
    We have the most educated soldiers in the history of the nation currently serving in our ranks. I'm not understanding your point.
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    Re: Obama to announce Veterans Job Corps

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    We have an all-volunteer military force in the US. Not taking care of veterans as made recruiting a much more difficult task and, since spots must be filled, it results in a less educated / qualified military force. This is not something we can afford to keep doing. I'm all for anything that will help attract and retain quality personnel. I consider that a matter of national security.
    I just got out of the Army, and let me tell you, they don't even remotely have a problem with retention or recruiting. With the quality of the economy right now, and the drawing down of the wars, they are looking to drastically reduce the number of soldiers in the army, and are using every opportunity to get rid of low quality soldiers. The Army's budget is 5 times what it was 10 years ago, to say that we need more money and more benefits to retain soldiers who are currently competing to remain in the army is preposterous.
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    Re: Obama to announce Veterans Job Corps

    I'm all for helping vets -- especially the unemployed. But $1 Billion to create 20,000 jobs? I'm no math whiz but that price tag seems a tad high.

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    Re: Obama to announce Veterans Job Corps

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I'm all for helping vets -- especially the unemployed. But $1 Billion to create 20,000 jobs? I'm no math whiz but that price tag seems a tad high.

    well, to be fair, the 20,000 number represents direct attributable jobs... but it doesn't include indirect job creation.

    the shovel manufacturers will probably have to hire more workers to produce more shovels to accommodate those 20,000 shovel operators.
    workglove manufacturers will have an addition demand for gloves as well....
    etc etc etc

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    Re: Obama to announce Veterans Job Corps

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    We have an all-volunteer military force in the US. Not taking care of veterans as made recruiting a much more difficult task and, since spots must be filled, it results in a less educated / qualified military force. This is not something we can afford to keep doing. I'm all for anything that will help attract and retain quality personnel. I consider that a matter of national security.
    not sure what any of that has to do with vets already being employed at a greater rate than the rest of America... but ..ok

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    Re: Obama to announce Veterans Job Corps

    The 1 billion dollar price tag is a bargain actually..and there is no way it ends up costing 'only' a billion. If it is straight salary, its 50k...but then you have to add in health benefits, insurance (we are talking about government employees here) and retirement. While the fed across the board has hiring freezes and is contracting positions to cut DOWN on jobs and debt, the president is now proposing 20k new government jobs. And how long do we fund these positions?

    Im a vet...great...thanks for caring about vets. Sorry it took an election year for you to do it...but still...welcome aboard, Mr President. Now...how many votes are you planning on buying with this initiative? And while I love taking care of other vets...does this mean we should spend another few trillion to employ everyone? Fullfil the promises made to vets, but the reality is that a lifetime of employment is not and never has been one of those committments. The government provides employment assistance, training and retraining programs, etc. Where does it end? And if you are a civilian...are you REALLY supporting this initiative or is this just another case of a democrat president ****ting on a piece of bread and you swallowing it down and asking for seconds, not because you like the meal but you loooove the chef? (and I'll save you the hassle...no...I dont oppose this just because Obama has proposed it...I have consistently stated there needs to be across the board cuts in federal spending INCLUDING with the military)

    General Lynch was the commanding General of IMCOM up unitl just recently. He declared that by damn no program was too expensive for our soldiers and our families. Heres the problem. We have expanded the Army Community Service organization now with a mirrored program...the SFACs. We also have contracted and pay for Military One Source, Army One source, we have created Survivor Outreach Services, Wounded Warrior services, Resiliency Campuses, again...all redundant services. The problem. Every program is now being cut. It is not sustainable. For three years we have run programs with barely funded pay budgets but no unfunded budget allocations, which means we have the bodies to provide the services, just no or reduced resources to provide for the soldiers and their families. I believe in the mission...but every one of those new programs comes with administrative departments and ever increasing cost obligations. Really...if you need to expand survivor outreach services and services to wounded warriors...there are already mechanisms in place. Allocate appropriate resources...dont create a bigger machine.

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    Re: Obama to announce Veterans Job Corps

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    well, to be fair, the 20,000 number represents direct attributable jobs... but it doesn't include indirect job creation.

    the shovel manufacturers will probably have to hire more workers to produce more shovels to accommodate those 20,000 shovel operators.
    workglove manufacturers will have an addition demand for gloves as well....
    etc etc etc
    Even so, the price is too high. If we used $1 Millon to create 20,000 jobs, each worker would earn $50,000 a year.

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