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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Planned Parenthood even states that all they do is a referral service. It costs nothing to refer someone to somewhere else. The money would be far better spent at the places that actually perform mammograms and such.

    Planned Parenthood doctors and nurses teach patients about breast care, connect patients to resources to help them get vital biopsies, ultrasounds, and mammograms, and follow up to make sure patients are cared for with the attention they need and deserve.


    That makes it sound so swell but all they do is make recommendations.

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    They do breast exams and referrals for mammograms. I don't know why you say, "PP even says...", since it's well known. But their access to low income women countrywide makes them a smart organization to donate to since they guarantee that they'll reach huge numbers of women (most low-income) on their own.

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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    In reality, American Cancer Society's website states that women who have had no children have a slightly higher breast cancer risk, while having many pregnancies or becoming pregnant at a young age reduces breast cancer risk.
    It doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that everything is linked to some disease so to say, "this might cause this so we shouldn't donate to this" is ridiculous in my opinion.

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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

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    Sure, only about 99% unreasonable. I do hope I don't have to explain why.
    My response was sarcastic, so no, you don't.

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    No. Arguments in favor of PP aren't about mammograms, they are about breast exams - PP performs hundreds of thousands a year - particularly as they pertain to low income women. People's support of PP in this situation isn't some hidden agenda to support abortion. A lot of people really believe that PP is an important part of encouraging breast health in low income women. It's not a conspiracy to fund abortion and pro-choicers are not "pro-death" and I don't know why you want represent yourself by making such petty remarks.
    Obviously they didn't do THAT much or Komen wouldn't have dropped the grant in the first place. Your little heart string story of PP being a bastion of Health for poor women is such BS it's sickening.
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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Obviously they didn't do THAT much or Komen wouldn't have dropped the grant in the first place. Your little heart string story of PP being a bastion of Health for poor women is such BS it's sickening.
    It's not a heartstring story so much as an explanation that what your perceive as 'fake' is not. If you want to counter people's actual beliefs about PP, go ahead, but your accusations that people are just lying to support abortion and your petty name-calling (pro-death) adds nothing. And again, I don't know why you want to represent yourself by doing things like that.

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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    How is that different? It's not like SGK isn't going to put the money it would have given to PP into some other venue concerning what they do, which IS women's health, so to even say this implies that PP = health and thus they're entitled to it.

    So, if you don't give the money to the "right" place (PP), it's putting politics before health? Isn't demanding that SGK give its money to PP instead of wherever else it might decide to do so pretty much politics before health in its own right?



    Well, that's part of being a bully. And a whole great lot of them did (including the ones who hacked SGK's web page and edited their Wikipedia entry).



    Yeah, they were obviously pissed. And threw a tantrum. (And, oddly, proved PP didn't need SGK's money.)

    PP =/= "women's health." Especially when there are obvious reasons to withhold grants, such as federal investigation into PP.

    Now, on the abortion thing, which come ON, we all know is fueling this -- is it "pro-choice" or is it "pro-abortion"? Everyone insists it's the former. If SGK is making its choice by declining to fund it, why isn't that OK? Why isn't that a legitimate choice? To somehow say that it isn't means it's not really about "choice" at all, but about pushing abortion.

    It's a legitimate choice for the Komen foundation to disqualy Planned Parenthood from funding, and people who think that's a poor decisions and pissed about it can make the legitimate choice to make a big deal of it, withhold donation or give the donation to Planned Parenthood instead. And then the Komen foundation can decide that the action it took was more harmful to its image and donation drive than it helps and make the legitimate choice to reverse the previous decision. All legal and legitimate. No one wants to make it illegal. See the difference between the pro-choice and the pro-life?
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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    It's a legitimate choice for the Komen foundation to disqualy Planned Parenthood from funding, and people who think that's a poor decisions and pissed about it can make the legitimate choice to make a big deal of it, withhold donation or give the donation to Planned Parenthood instead. And then the Komen foundation can decide that the action it took was more harmful to its image and donation drive than it helps and make the legitimate choice to reverse the previous decision. All legal and legitimate. No one wants to make it illegal. See the difference between the pro-choice and the pro-life?
    You say that as though you think I'm "pro-life."

    I never said a thing which disagreed with any of this. I never said anyone shouldn't be allowed to say anything or be angry about anything.

    And in turn, I'm free to consider the reaction to SGK's decision over-the-top bullying and state so, am I not?

    As you'll probably agree that I am, I'm not sure what your motivation for this post is.
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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    Don't underestimate the ratio of abortions to prenatal care; this pie chart is from 2008.

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    Also of note, the number of abortions performed by Planned Parenthood increases yearly by leaps and bounds, while the number of adoption referrals and prenatal visits dwindles. In 2007 the ratio of adoption referrals to abortions was a staggering 1 to 62. The 2008 ratio was 1 adoption for every 134 abortions, and the 2009 ratio was 1:340.

    The 2010 ratio was 1 adoption referral for every 391 abortions.

    Make your own conclusions, but I would prefer not to see Komen money spent on clinics that refer women elsewhere for breast exams while making abortion, an issue unrelated to Susan G. Komen, such a priority; cutting out the middle man--Planned Parenthood--would make each Komen dollar go much further in the battle against breast cancer. I would even go so far as to say that it would be more appropriate for Komen money to go to places that do not provide free or affordable oral contraceptives to teenagers and adults until the link between oral contraceptives and breast cancer has been addressed.

    I was disappointed by the un-de-funding this week, a move that seemed even more political to me than the decision to defund in the first place.

    Another dishonest statistical peddler.

    women services.JPGcancer and contraceptive.JPG

    http://www.plannedparenthood.org/fil...P_Services.pdf

    Why include things like pregnancy tests or contraceptive services when it might make abortion so much smaller as a percentage right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Threads like this always make me incredibly said, as misinformation and carefully-edited for inacuracy information is thrown around with the "A" word. It has completely ignored women's health in an almost rabid attempt to enforce a political agenda on an agency that spends 97% of its resources on non-abortion related women's health issues, and offers low-to-no cost health care to women who frequently have no other place to go.

    People are entitled to their personal views about abortion, but when it spreads into attempts to remove an extremely valuable asset to low and moderate income women's health care, it really kinda ticks me off. This whole thing was a political move, created by another political move by a conservative congressman, who also wishes to close down PP's 97% of non-abortion related health care to legislate his personal views, and force them on the entire country. Shame on him, and shame on the Komen Foundation.
    The question, as I see it, is not whether Planned Parenthood is a valuable asset to society, but whether Komen's money would accomplish more for breast health somewhere else--perhaps to one of the clinics PP refers women to for mammograms. Planned Parenthood has demonstrated that it would not suffer without the Komen grant, which is actually a very small part of its income, so I fail to see why Komen cannot choose to give the grant to other low-income area healthcare facilities without this public outcry.

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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You say that as though you think I'm "pro-life."

    I never said a thing which disagreed with any of this. I never said anyone shouldn't be allowed to say anything or be angry about anything.

    And in turn, I'm free to consider the reaction to SGK's decision over-the-top bullying and state so, am I not?

    As you'll probably agree that I am, I'm not sure what your motivation for this post is.

    I never claimed that you are pro-life. The motivation for the post is the same any other posts here, to make a point, whether you got the point or not doesn't negate that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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