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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    I just hope it doesn't mean what they want us to think it means.

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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Lame. They look like total morons.


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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    I really don't see how that was anything but an unhinged, bullying tantrum on the part of PP and its supporters. They "hate poor women"? Really?

    It's not like they're entitled to SGK's donations. Are they the mob? Once you're in, you're always in? Seems that way.
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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I really don't see how that was anything but an unhinged, bullying tantrum on the part of PP and its supporters. They "hate poor women"? Really?

    It's not like they're entitled to SGK's donations. Are they the mob? Once you're in, you're always in? Seems that way.
    Well anyone who said, "they hate poor" women was obviously being hyperbolic. However, I don't think people's protests were rooted in thinking that PP is entitled to their funds, it was rooted in believing that Komen was putting politics before health. I also think a lot of people who support PP support Komen as well particularly since both focus on women's health issues, so when Komen took their support away from PP a lot of people who donate to Komen were pissed that they donated to an organization that would do that.

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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    However, I don't think people's protests were rooted in thinking that PP is entitled to their funds, it was rooted in believing that Komen was putting politics before health.
    How is that different? It's not like SGK isn't going to put the money it would have given to PP into some other venue concerning what they do, which IS women's health, so to even say this implies that PP = health and thus they're entitled to it.

    So, if you don't give the money to the "right" place (PP), it's putting politics before health? Isn't demanding that SGK give its money to PP instead of wherever else it might decide to do so pretty much politics before health in its own right?

    Well anyone who said, "they hate poor" women was obviously being hyperbolic.
    Well, that's part of being a bully. And a whole great lot of them did (including the ones who hacked SGK's web page and edited their Wikipedia entry).

    I also think a lot of people who support PP support Komen as well particularly since both focus on women's health issues, so when Komen took their support away from PP a lot of people who donate to Komen were pissed that they donated to an organization that would do that.
    Yeah, they were obviously pissed. And threw a tantrum. (And, oddly, proved PP didn't need SGK's money.)

    PP =/= "women's health." Especially when there are obvious reasons to withhold grants, such as federal investigation into PP.

    Now, on the abortion thing, which come ON, we all know is fueling this -- is it "pro-choice" or is it "pro-abortion"? Everyone insists it's the former. If SGK is making its choice by declining to fund it, why isn't that OK? Why isn't that a legitimate choice? To somehow say that it isn't means it's not really about "choice" at all, but about pushing abortion.
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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Since one can contribute directly to PP it will be interesting what happens in the future. What are the demographics of the 'typical' SGK contributor? How many contributors knew SGK had awarded grants to PP? Will this new knowledge affect the contributions SGK receives in the future? They may have just shat in their nest. We'll see.

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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    How is that different? It's not like SGK isn't going to put the money it would have given to PP into some other venue concerning what they do, which IS women's health, so to even say this implies that PP = health and thus they're entitled to it.
    No, entitlement isn't involved. PP has a unique position in serving low income women and so people thought that Komen was putting politics before health. The end.

    So, if you don't give the money to the "right" place (PP), it's putting politics before health? Isn't demanding that SGK give its money to PP instead of wherever else it might decide to do so pretty much politics before health in its own right?
    Yes. No.

    Well, that's part of being a bully. And a whole great lot of them did (including the ones who hacked SGK's web page and edited their Wikipedia entry).
    Sure.

    Yeah, they were obviously pissed. And threw a tantrum. (And, oddly, proved PP didn't need SGK's money.)

    PP =/= "women's health." Especially when there are obvious reasons to withhold grants, such as federal investigation into PP.

    Now, on the abortion thing, which come ON, we all know is fueling this -- is it "pro-choice" or is it "pro-abortion"? Everyone insists it's the former. If SGK is making its choice by declining to fund it, why isn't that OK? Why isn't that a legitimate choice? To somehow say that it isn't means it's not really about "choice" at all, but about pushing abortion.
    It can be okay to decline funding and it can be a legitimate choice. Whether it is or not depends entirely upon who you ask. However, if the people who donate to your foundation disagree with you, then they will take away their money and voice their disapproval. If you donated money to an organization that you cared about and then did something you thought was horrible, would you not voice your disapproval and stop donating?

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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    No, entitlement isn't involved. PP has a unique position in serving low income women and so people thought that Komen was putting politics before health. The end.
    Well, not really. What makes them so unique? No one else at all does this? And besides, an interest in "women's health" requires you to fund EVERY POSSIBLE ASPECT of it, else you're putting politics before health?

    Is that a slope you want to be on?


    Yes. No.
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    It can be okay to decline funding and it can be a legitimate choice. Whether it is or not depends entirely upon who you ask. However, if the people who donate to your foundation disagree with you, then they will take away their money and voice their disapproval. If you donated money to an organization that you cared about and then did something you thought was horrible, would you not voice your disapproval and stop donating?
    Sure. But merely "voicing disapproval" and "stopping donations" is hardly what happened here. Never mind that the tantrum came from all sorts of people that appear not to be SGK supporters in the first place, or at least there's nothing to indicate that they are.

    Besides, there's research which suggests that having an abortion can increase the risk of breast cancer. Seems to me that would be an unassailable reason that SGK wouldn't want to fund it. In that instance, who would be putting the politics before the health?
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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Reuters:


    This is good news and it shows the power that ordinary people can have in influencing the decisions of large institutions.
    Ordinary people?

    Komen's donations went up 100% when it they cut off PP, now they caved in to PP. They'll lose support now!
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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Reuters:


    This is good news and it shows the power that ordinary people can have in influencing the decisions of large institutions.
    The is wonderful news, from your link, the following appears to be key:

    Komen said it will now amend its new funding criteria to "ensure that politics has no place in our grant process." The guidelines will make clear that a group under investigation will be disqualified only if the probe is "criminal and conclusive in nature and not political."


    That's the way it should be.


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