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Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

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ThePlayDrive said:
They don't do mammograms, you're right, they do breast exams which is what I said.


Did Komen say that they were going to give the money to clinics that do mammograms? And if they did, do those clinics have the same wide reaching access to low income women?
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Yes, and considering these are the clinics to which PP refers women, yes.


No, it's understanding that PP has a certain level of access to low income women.


No, putting politics before access to low income women for breast exams is a big deal.
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See, we're getting to the point where all you're really saying is "because I said so."



In fact, I think you're being hyperbolic about how much hyperbole was actually involved.
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Frustrated? You're starting to act like a child. I have given comparatively lengthy responses to everything, detailing my reasoning. All you're really doing in return is saying "no. Yes. It just is." So, if anyone needs the lecture, it's you.


No, because it actually is nonsense. Ask the American Cancer Society. In fact, they say that full term pregnancy increases ones risk for breast cancer for a short term, so it's actually the exact opposite of what you claim.
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Well, no; it says results of studies have varied.

Look, I don't even care; I wasn't even asserting it for its own sake. It's about the bogusness of this being health issue. If it DID increase the risk, and SGK pulled its funding on its basis, the outcry would have been the same. I think any honest observer would agree.
 
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Wessexman said:
This is just begging the question isn't. You would not say it was just politics if you actually believed killing fetuses was the same as killing an adult or post-natal child. It is just politics to you because a fetus is not a person to you. Hence you are just assuming something that is in dispute between you and pro-lifers.
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If I were pro-life, I probably wouldn't see it as just politics, you're right. However, I'm sure that I would be willing to sacrifice the access PP has to low income for my position.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
If I were pro-life, I probably wouldn't see it as just politics, you're right. However, I'm sure that I would be willing to sacrifice the access PP has to low income for my position.
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If PP also provided nursing homes where they murdered the patients would you still not be willing to sacrifice this access to low income people? For the consistent pro-lifer there isn't that much difference.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
If I were pro-life, I probably wouldn't see it as just politics, you're right. However, I'm sure that I would be willing to sacrifice the access PP has to low income for my position.
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Yes, and this "low income" meme you keep pushing is your political bent. It is not required that anyone fund "low income" anything in order to be pro-health.

Look, all you're doing is what I said -- insisting that PP is entitled to SGK's donations. You say you aren't, but you do it in every post.
 
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Harshaw said:
Yes, and considering these are the clinics to which PP refers women, yes.
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Wait, wait. You answered yes to both questions. Can I see the source for that? Where did SGK specifically what clinics they were going to choose over PP?

See, we're getting to the point where all you're really saying is "because I said so."
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No, you keep ignoring what I'm actually saying, refusing to address it and then minimizing it to "because I say so" which means that this will be my last post to you since you aren't hearing me.

Frustrated? You're starting to act like a child. I have given comparatively lengthy responses to everything, detailing my reasoning. All you're really doing in return is saying "no. Yes. It just is." So, if anyone needs the lecture, it's you.
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Wait, what? I said that your specific argument about how much hyperbole pro-PP people were using was hyperbolic. I gave you no lecture. You just mad overreacted further proving that this ought to be my last post to you.

[quote[Well, no; it says results of studies have varied.[/quote]
Yes, it said previous studies have varied so it did its own research and it concluded, "At this time, the scientific evidence does not support the notion that abortion of any kind raises the risk of breast cancer or any other type of cancer."

Look, I don't even care; I wasn't even asserting it for its own sake. It's about the bogusness of this being health issue. If it DID increase the risk, and SGK pulled its funding on its basis, the outcry would have been the same. I think any honest observer would agree.
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It is a health issue. If you disagree, then oh well.
 
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Harshaw said:
Yes, and this "low income" meme you keep pushing is your political bent. It is not required that anyone fund "low income" anything in order to be pro-health.

Look, all you're doing is what I said -- insisting that PP is entitled to SGK's donations. You say you aren't, but you do it in every post.
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It's not a meme. It's a category of people who have a low income level and PP has good access to them. I'm sorry that you think I believe PP is 'entitled' to something, but I can't take responsibility for your distortions of my arguments.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
It can be okay to decline funding and it can be a legitimate choice. Whether it is or not depends entirely upon who you ask.
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Oh, and let's be clear about this:

Declining funding is always a legitimate choice, entirely regardless of "who you ask." If it isn't, then there isn't actually any "choice" involved.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Wait, wait. You answered yes to both questions. Can I see the source for that? Where did SGK specifically what clinics they were going to choose over PP?
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Look at the statment I posted.

No, you keep ignoring what I'm actually saying, refusing to address it and then minimizing it to "because I say so" which means that this will be my last post to you since you aren't hearing me.
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Oh, nice. Be stubborn and then blame it on me. (And it wasn't your last post anyway.)


Wait, what? I said that your specific argument about how much hyperbole pro-PP people were using was hyperbolic. I gave you no lecture. You just mad overreacted further proving that this ought to be my last post to you.
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Yeah. I don't think you're even reading your own posts.

Yes, it said previous studies have varied so it did its own research and it concluded, "At this time, the scientific evidence does not support the notion that abortion of any kind raises the risk of breast cancer or any other type of cancer."
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Did I not say it doesn't even matter?

It is a health issue. If you disagree, then oh well.
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No. It's an abortion issue.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
It's not a meme. It's a category of people who have a low income level and PP has good access to them. I'm sorry that you think I believe PP is 'entitled' to something, but I can't take responsibility for your distortions of my arguments.
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Considering that you think to choose anything other than to fund PP is "putting politics before health," yeah, you do think they're entitled.

Come on, man. Own up.
 
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Amigo said:
Ordinary people?

Komen's donations went up 100% when it they cut off PP, now they caved in to PP. They'll lose support now!
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Hoping more women die are you? How Conservative.
 
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Harshaw said:
Considering that you think to choose anything other than to fund PP is "putting politics before health," yeah, you do think they're entitled.

Come on, man. Own up.
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I can't own up to something that isn't true. You want me to "own up" to YOUR distortion of my argument. Sorry, that's not how the world works. If you want me to own up to something, the you can repeat what I actually believe.
 
danarhea said:
Actually, the damage to Komen has been caused by Komen itself. They are very good at getting people to buy pink spatulas and ribbons, and providing education about breast cancer, but who has been providing the actual breast exams? Planned Parenthood. Komen shot itself in the foot here.
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P.P. doesn't actually do breast exams. Other than "manual" ones which women can do on their own and if that's the standard I'm applying for a Komen grant.
 
1Perry said:
P.P. doesn't actually do breast exams. Other than "manual" ones which women can do on their own and if that's the standard I'm applying for a Komen grant.
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They do breast exams ("manual"), not mammograms. And women still need "manual" breast exams, not just mammograms.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
They do breast exams ("manual"), not mammograms. And women still need "manual" breast exams, not just mammograms.
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As I said, this can and is done by women at home. Koman would far and away be better off providing services for women that they can not perform at home.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
I can't own up to something that isn't true. You want me to "own up" to YOUR distortion of my argument. Sorry, that's not how the world works. If you want me to own up to something, the you can repeat what I actually believe.
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Yes. You believe that choosing anything other than to fund PP is to "put politics before health." Thus, funding PP is the only legitimate thing to do. Thus, PP is entitled to the money.

That's your argument. You may not want it taken out to its logical end, but it is. So as I say, own up.
 
I find this entire development horribly disappointing for all parties.

I'm just going to say, i detest the concept of abortion, and view the function of government to protect innocent lives.

But how the sides are going after each other disgusts me.

Planned Parent Hood gives 750k clinical breast exams every year, and early detection of breast cancer is the only winning solution to date.

So I call on those on my side to show a little understanding and compassion when an agency like Komen has this kind of decision. PP plays a significant role in breast cancer treatment.
 
digsbe said:
The damage to Komen has been done by reinstating grants to Planned Parenthood. I will not be supporting them.
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sadly, you are right

plenty on both sides will hold grudges, and donations will suffer tremendously.
 
ARealConservative said:
I find this entire development horribly disappointing for all parties.

I'm just going to say, i detest the concept of abortion, and view the function of government to protect innocent lives.

But how the sides are going after each other disgusts me.

Planned Parent Hood gives 750k clinical breast exams every year, and early detection of breast cancer is the only winning solution to date.

So I call on those on my side to show a little understanding and compassion when an agency like Komen has this kind of decision. PP plays a significant role in breast cancer treatment.
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It does? What role would that be?
 
ARealConservative said:
I find this entire development horribly disappointing for all parties.

I'm just going to say, i detest the concept of abortion, and view the function of government to protect innocent lives.

But how the sides are going after each other disgusts me.

Planned Parent Hood gives 750k clinical breast exams every year, and early detection of breast cancer is the only winning solution to date.

So I call on those on my side to show a little understanding and compassion when an agency like Komen has this kind of decision. PP plays a significant role in breast cancer treatment.
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Well, I don't have a "side" the way you're saying.

But if there's going to be "understanding" -- if they do 750K breast exams per year, then SGK's $680K grant comes to about 91 cents per exam.

They're screaming and pitching a national screed over less than a dollar? They're going to tell a poor woman she can't get an exam over 91 cents?

Also, PP is a $1B/year operation. SGK's $680K represents less than 0.07% of that. As in, 99.93% of PP's operating budget remains intact. SGK's contribution is less than negligible any way you look at it.

But because of it, PP and its supporters have waged a national smear campaign against a foundation which until now they would have said does a tremendous amount of good for women's health.

So, really -- who's putting the "politics before health"?
 
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Honestly, both decisions were based on politics. And now, it just makes Komen look even worse.
 
ARealConservative said:
I find this entire development horribly disappointing for all parties.

I'm just going to say, i detest the concept of abortion, and view the function of government to protect innocent lives.

But how the sides are going after each other disgusts me.

Planned Parent Hood gives 750k clinical breast exams every year, and early detection of breast cancer is the only winning solution to date.

So I call on those on my side to show a little understanding and compassion when an agency like Komen has this kind of decision. PP plays a significant role in breast cancer treatment.
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I agree. I'm pro-choice, but I understand why pro-lifers have problems with PP, but SGK is about breast health and PP does a lot for that so as far as SGK's mission, PP is one of its most important partners. However, I don't support the hyperbole of saying, "SGK hates poor people" and that nonsense from my side of it.
 
I don't really see how manual breast exams and referrals for mammograms makes PP a significant contributor to women's breast health or the fight against breast cancer. Wouldn't that same money be better spent on county health units and organizations that do provide free and/or low-cost mammograms?
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
That research is nonsense.
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It is true that no link has been proven to exist between abortion and breast cancer. However, the National Cancer Institute states that oral contraceptives have been shown to increase the risk of liver, cervical and yes, breast cancer, and Planned Parenthood is proud to be a leading provider of free or affordable birth control. Therefore it is not totally unreasonable to suggest that funding PP is not in keeping with Komen's mission.
 
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The irony is the people who profited most form this were Planned Parenthood who raked in millions. The era of appeasement is over.
 
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