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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm sorry, please...lay it out for me.

    Is it your opinion that she did it for political reasons, or are you stating its a FACT that she did it for political reasons? Pretty simple question.
    Since you make it so obvious that you need it spelled out, DP is a discussion board where people post their opinions.

    Maybe you can explain why you think your posts are so obviously "opinion" while mine are so obviously and purely "factual"
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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Since you make it so obvious that you need it spelled out, DP is a discussion board where people post their opinions.

    Maybe you can explain why you think your posts are so obviously "opinion" while mine are so obviously and purely "factual"
    "I cant do anything to stop you from ignoring the facts"

    maybe because you label your opinion as facts?

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Since you make it so obvious that you need it spelled out, DP is a discussion board where people post their opinions.

    Maybe you can explain why you think your posts are so obviously "opinion" while mine are so obviously and purely "factual"
    Okay, so its just your opinion that she acted political in nature.

    Okay, more power to you. I don't really know if it was or wasn't, as I've said FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, but my stance from my first post stands. Regardless of whether or not this was political, the reaction by those who were belittling what Komen does, what they've provided, encouraging people to stop donating to them without offering up alternatives, and other similar action are frankly worse in my eyes than Komen would be for taking this action even if it was political in nature. There were plenty of ways to fight the issue if people felt it was political that didn't also involve damaging the work that the organization does.

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    "I cant do anything to stop you from ignoring the facts"

    maybe because you label your opinion as facts?
    I was referring to the quote you asked for. It was already posted. That *IS* a fact

    You're attempt at portraying that as something it was not is just as dishonest as your arguing that my posts are nothing but fact and yours are opinion
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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Okay, so its just your opinion that she acted political in nature.

    Okay, more power to you. I don't really know if it was or wasn't, as I've said FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, but my stance from my first post stands. Regardless of whether or not this was political, the reaction by those who were belittling what Komen does, what they've provided, encouraging people to stop donating to them without offering up alternatives, and other similar action are frankly worse in my eyes than Komen would be for taking this action even if it was political in nature. There were plenty of ways to fight the issue if people felt it was political that didn't also involve damaging the work that the organization does.
    Your arguing that others have a higher burden of proof (by misportraying their opinions as facts (for no explainable reason)) has been dishonest

    And claiming that other people have damaged the work of Komen is also dishonest. Komen did this to themselves. No one forced them to do it. Your victimization spiel is laughable
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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your arguing that others have a higher burden of proof (by misportraying their opinions as facts (for no explainable reason)) has been dishonest
    I expect no higher burden of proof on anyone.

    You mistook my statement of opinion for fact. You asked for proof. From the moment of my response to you I clarified that what I stated was my opinion based on my view and thoughts of the situation.

    When I asked you for proof, you continued to fight back telling me to "look at the facts", suggesting I was being dishonest, and never once suggesting that my interpritation of your statement as a proclomation of fact was wrong. Notice that once you actually did the same thing as I did, clarify that my impression of your post was incorrect and that you were stating an opinion, I acknowledge that and ceased to ask you for proof of a fact.

    So where exactly what I expecting a hire burden of proof or action on your part then I was expecting from myself?

    And claiming that other people have damaged the work of Komen is also dishonest. Komen did this to themselves. No one forced them to do it. Your victimization spiel is laughable
    Its not dishonest at all. Komen did something that is arguably stupid, that's true. However, their stupidity in no way forced anyone to act in any particular way towards them. There are plenty of ways that people could've protested this move and not belittled the work Komen do, insults the work they do, or encourage people not to donate to them without giving an alternative breast cancer charity to donate. Many people choose to forgo those methods to do the ones I just described. Komen didn't force them to go that route, they choose to do it. Did Komen's action spur them to act that way? Yes. But Komen isn't responsable for anyones action but their own organization....individuals are responsible for individual actions.

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I expect no higher burden of proof on anyone.
    Your prior posts contradict your current claims

    You mistook my statement of opinion for fact.
    No, that was you


    You asked for proof.
    No, that was you

    Since you've begun with so many dishonest claims that ignore your own words, I see no reason to address the rest of your fictions
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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Since you've begun with so many dishonest claims that ignore your own words, I see no reason to address the rest of your fictions
    In other words you'll chop up my post to suggest I said something I didn't, and dishonestly deal with the misrepresented edited version you created to fit your particular view point rather than what I said.

    Well, if you want to go that route nothing I can really do to stop you. Anything I'd try you'd probably just edit down, misrepresent, and then disregard.

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    In other words you'll chop up my post to suggest I said something I didn't, and dishonestly deal with the misrepresented edited version you created to fit your particular view point rather than what I said.

    Well, if you want to go that route nothing I can really do to stop you. Anything I'd try you'd probably just edit down, misrepresent, and then disregard.
    IOW, you'll try to blame me for doing what you did

    I posted two opinions (that your post was dishonest and that Karen Handler did this for political reasons)

    *YOU* mistook my opinion for a claim of fact, and *YOU* demanded that I post proof

    Now you want to claim that you didnt mistake my opinion for fact and that you didn't demand proof. That is dishonest

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Correlation doesn't equal causation.

    Do you have any kind of proof in this what so ever that the action was done because of political motivations and not because of what the Komen rules regarding funding stated? Simply pointing to an individual in power who holds a political position does not prove, nor indicate clearly, that the move was done for political motivations.
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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Now you want to claim that you didnt mistake my opinion for fact and that you didn't demand proof. That is dishonest
    What? Where did I claim I didn't mistake your opinion for fact? I absolutely thought you were trying to state a fact, not an opinion, by the tone of your post. ONCE you stated clearly otherwise that you were making an opinionated statement, not one of fact, I didn't ask you to "prove" anything. See post #133, my response to you after you finally clarified that your statement was one of opinion and not of fact.

    Please, quote the point whre I stated that I didn't mistake your opinion for fact originally?

    I stated my opinion...you mistook that as if I was stating an unquestionable fact and asked me for proof...I immedietely, upon your requets for proof, clarified my position was an opinion and noted my error in giving the wrong impressoin.

    You stated your opinion...I mistook that as fact and asked for proof...you then immedietely proceeded to suggest I acted dishonestly in my first post, you responded to my request for proof of your assertion by claiming you had provided it (hardly something that suggest you were disagreeing with my notion you were claiming a fact), you then proceed to say nothing about your claim again while ignoring my statement regarding clarification of my opinion and demanding "proof", you then stated AGAIN that I was ignoring the "facts" with regards to the issue (note again, however could I have been confused you were just stating an opinion), made a sarcastic post about needing proof (twice), and then FINALLY admitted that it was simply your opinion.....at which point I no longer asked for proof.

    So lets look at the difference here.

    I made a post. You misread it as me stating an undisputable fact and not voicing my opinion and made a post asking for proof. I then immiedetely clarified for you my intent and meaning behind my words and stated my error in giving a false impressoin. On the flip side, I misread you and made a post asking for proof. You then proceeded to make SIX direct posts responding to me, one of which claiming you provided proof to back up what I claimed you were saying as fact and one claiming I was refusing to acknowledge your FACTS, before you finally clarified your statement was your opinion.

    No Sangha, I did not expect a higher burden of proof then I expected of myself. I asked you for proof when it seemed to me you were stating a fact, which continued for multiple posts as you continued to make statements suggesting that's indeed what you were doing and failing to clarify my statements regarding your intent, until such a point that you finally clarified yourself. And at that point I treated it the same as I treat my own burden when I give opinion.

    The ONLY difference was not one regarding the burden of truth, but rather the point in which each of us acknowledged the other persons mistaken understanding and informed them of the intent behind their statements. I did it the post immedietely following the evidence of your misunderstanding. You did it six posts later, after you had continued to suggest you were presenting "facts".

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