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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    1. The VP who just resigned said before becoming joining SGK, "I will be a pro-life governor who will work tirelessly to promote a culture of life in Georgia. ... I believe that each and every unborn child has inherent dignity, that every abortion is a tragedy, and that government has a role, along with the faith community, in encouraging women to choose life in even the most difficult of circumstances. ...since I am pro-life, I do not support the mission of Planned Parenthood."
    Oh, so she was acting as Govenor of Komen? Oh, wait...no, that was a quote when she was running for governor of GEORGIA. Sorry, I must've made the same mistake as you.

    I never denied for a moment the woman dislikes Planned Parenthood and isn't extremely pro-life. She absolutely is. That still doesn't prove this was done for political reasons and not due to the policies already in place at Komen. You're posting up anecdotal evidence and suggesting its damning proof.

    2. This "rule" that you keep referencing (which by the way was implemented after the aforementioned VP joined SGK) was ONLY enforced with Planned Parenthood NOT with other organizations undergoing investigation including Penn State and Parkland Memorial Hospital.
    And here we finally come to something worth while and possibly useful. Now, I have heard that Planned Parenthoods contract came up and thus they did not renew it due to this rule. Is it true that Planned Parenthoods contract came up? Has Penn State or the Parkland Memorial Hospital contracts come up during the point in which they were under investigation? If so, then I would agree it would appear that action was taken for political reasons.

    In which case.....see my earlier post in this thread where I repeatedly stated my feelings in regards to peoples response to this whether or not it was done for political reasons or not.

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I did. I see it stating that she was someone that didn't like planned parenthood and was pro-life. I saw nothing in it that suggested she did it because of those reasons. Please, perhaps I missed something, quote me the line stating proof she did it for political reasons and I'll go back and relook at it.
    Her quote was posted. I cant do anything to stop you from ignoring the facts and pretending it hasn't been posted



    Please, what dishonest claim did I make? The only one you've suggested so far is the dishonest and wrongful claim that I stated it was definitively apolitical.
    You claimed that the critics were motivated by their own politics, and not by any honest disagreement with the way a non-profit has used its' money to pursue the political agenda of moral fascists like Karen Handel
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It always gets me when people demand proof and offer none of their own for their baseless claims.
    It sounds like something a "sanctimonious hypocrit" would do
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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I never denied for a moment the woman dislikes Planned Parenthood and isn't extremely pro-life. She absolutely is. That still doesn't prove this was done for political reasons and not due to the policies already in place at Komen. You're posting up anecdotal evidence and suggesting its damning proof.
    Good thing you'd never post anything without proof!!!
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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You also calimed that the people who criticized Komen did so, not because they objected to a non-profit engaging in politics, but simply because of their politics
    No, I claimed there were people who criticized Komen due to political reasons based on their support for Planned Parenthood and opposition to those who dislike the organization or are pro-life and who were actively working against an organization that does good things for women simply because said organization didn't do something politically they agreed with. Now, if you want, I'll be happy to make this clear, that's my opinion based on my view of how they're acting. I don't proclaim it to be fact as I can not know what goes on in their head. But in no way do I suggest that EVERYONE criticizing Komen is doing it simply for political reasons...I think those doing it for actual PRINCIPLED reasons of just disliking political actoins by a charity at all are rare, but they are present. However, those who ARE doing it due to their own political motivations are acting like hypocrites actively working against a charity that does good work for women simply because they oppose political something that organization is doing politically.

    I base my opinion, mind you...I firmly admit this, my OPINION....of this off the notion that I firmly believed that if Komen took some political stance that was in line with these peoples political views they would NOT have an issue with it because their issue is not that Komen acted politically, but that they acted politically in a way they disliked.

    Since you're so big on "causation" and proof () let's see your proof that the critics are "sanctimonious hypocrites" whose criticism is motivated by politics
    Why am I going to prove something I firmly admit is my opinion. I ask you for proof because you stated your comments about a specific person as if they were fact. If you believed its simply your opinion that she's a uesd it to promote her political ideology, so be it...say so and I'll retract my request. However it appeared you were trying to make the statement as if it was unquestoinable FACT, not just your feeling about the situation.

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It always gets me when people demand proof and offer none of their own for their baseless claims.
    When I make claims that I expect people to take as factual and not simply my opinion and views on a matter I provide proof. When I submit my opinion and thoughts then I give my thoughts and that's that. I expect the same of others. If Sangha is just saying its his opinion that she used it to push her politics...no prob, I'd say that's potentially right but I haven't seen clear evidence yet so my opinion is neutral on the subject. However, if he wants to state it as if its fact that we should all unquestionably believe...then I expect something to back it up.

    I don't believe that anyone has any default reason to believe anything anyone on these forums say. If you want someone to take your words that you profess are fact as something of value I'd suggest you provide stuff to back it up. If you want someone to take your opinion that you profess as correct as something of value, I suggest you either reevaluate why you post opinion or you understand that it'll largely have an impact based on peoples percieved worth of your opinion.

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Her quote was posted. I cant do anything to stop you from ignoring the facts and pretending it hasn't been posted
    You mean the quote of what she claimed she'd do as GOVENOR?

    You claimed that the critics were motivated by their own politics, and not by any honest disagreement with the way a non-profit has used its' money to pursue the political agenda of moral fascists like Karen Handel
    Yep. That's my opinion and view on the subject based on the responses and statements of most of those I've seen on this board responding and that I know in my personal life, and what I know of them based on their statements and how I think they would act if Komen "used its money to pursue the political agenda" of someone they supported. I fully admit I don't claim that to be some unquestioned fact, I view it to be my opinion and belief on the situation. I in no way shape or form had any inclination what so ever that someone like you would find any worth or agreement with my opinion. However, I don't proclaim nor suggest my opinion is fact, though I do suggest that I personally believe it to be correct.

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I base my opinion, mind you...I firmly admit this, my OPINION....of this off the notion that I firmly believed that if Komen took some political stance that was in line with these peoples political views they would NOT have an issue with it because their issue is not that Komen acted politically, but that they acted politically in a way they disliked.



    Why am I going to prove something I firmly admit is my opinion. I ask you for proof because you stated your comments about a specific person as if they were fact. If you believed its simply your opinion that she's a uesd it to promote her political ideology, so be it...say so and I'll retract my request. However it appeared you were trying to make the statement as if it was unquestoinable FACT, not just your feeling about the situation.
    I see. When *you* state an opinion, it doesn't require proof, but when others do the same, it requires proof.

    There's nothing sanctimonious or hypocritical about that
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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Good thing you'd never post anything without proof!!!
    Of course I do. I even at times post things that I am claiming as facts without proof. When asked for proof in such situations, I provide it. If I can't provide it I fully and honestly admit my error in suggesting that its a fact. Never claimed I was perfect, never claimed I've not made mistakes or errors in my statements on this forum...not sure why you think this is some kind of wonderful "gotcha". Its not. I have never, and will never, have an issue admitting when I've made a mistake with regards to a statement of fact or when I've been convinced in such a way to change a matter of opinion.

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I see. WHen you state an opinion, it doesn't require proof, but when others do the same, it requires proof.
    I'm sorry, please...lay it out for me.

    Is it your opinion that she did it for political reasons, or are you stating its a FACT that she did it for political reasons? Pretty simple question.

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