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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It seems that the anti-abortion rights nazi who used Komen to promote her own political agenda has been kicked out of the Komen org.
    Per your link: "I really felt I had a responsibility to step aside so that [Komen] could refocus on their mission," Handel told Fox News.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    For example, the way you describe the situtation was completely dishonest
    How is your claim ‘kicked out’ honest? Which I believe would qualify as being a 'sanctimonious hypocrite'...thank you for that.

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, the rightwingers are sanctimonious hypocrits, which is why they have been so dishonest about the facts. For example, the way you describe the situtation was completely dishonest
    Is it? Please enlighten me where I was wrong and correct me. I'd be happy to hear it as I'm trying to best understand the situation from rather neutral sources which, to be quite honest, is rather difficult. What did I say that was incorrect?

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It seems that the anti-abortion rights nazi who used Komen to promote her own political agenda has been kicked out of the Komen org.
    Karen Handel explains Komen resignation, blasts Planned Parenthood - Los Angeles Times
    Correlation doesn't equal causation.

    Do you have any kind of proof in this what so ever that the action was done because of political motivations and not because of what the Komen rules regarding funding stated? Simply pointing to an individual in power who holds a political position does not prove, nor indicate clearly, that the move was done for political motivations.

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Is it? Please enlighten me where I was wrong and correct me. I'd be happy to hear it as I'm trying to best understand the situation from rather neutral sources which, to be quite honest, is rather difficult. What did I say that was incorrect?
    It was dishonest for you to argue that because it was an "established rule" it was apolitical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Correlation doesn't equal causation.

    Do you have any kind of proof in this what so ever that the action was done because of political motivations and not because of what the Komen rules regarding funding stated? Simply pointing to an individual in power who holds a political position does not prove, nor indicate clearly, that the move was done for political motivations.
    It was in the articl I linked to. Why don't you read it?

    And I notice that you're willing to ask me to prove my claim, but you're unwilling to do what you ask of others and prove what you dishonestly claimed. That is sanctimonious hypocricy
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Correlation doesn't equal causation.

    Do you have any kind of proof in this what so ever that the action was done because of political motivations and not because of what the Komen rules regarding funding stated? Simply pointing to an individual in power who holds a political position does not prove, nor indicate clearly, that the move was done for political motivations.
    Sure:

    1. The VP who just resigned said before becoming joining SGK, "I will be a pro-life governor who will work tirelessly to promote a culture of life in Georgia. ... I believe that each and every unborn child has inherent dignity, that every abortion is a tragedy, and that government has a role, along with the faith community, in encouraging women to choose life in even the most difficult of circumstances. ...since I am pro-life, I do not support the mission of Planned Parenthood."

    2. This "rule" that you keep referencing (which by the way was implemented after the aforementioned VP joined SGK) was ONLY enforced with Planned Parenthood NOT with other organizations undergoing investigation including Penn State and Parkland Memorial Hospital.

    In conclusion, SGK only enforced their "rule" with PP even though other organizations getting funding from SGK were breaking that "rule" as well. The VP who just resigned clearly stated that she did not support PP in her run for government. Not so coincidentally, the "rule" that affected PP and that de-funding of PP happened after she joined SGK.

    Sources:
    Who Is Behind Susan G. Komen's Split From Planned Parenthood? - Nicholas Jackson - Health - The Atlantic
    Komen's $7.5 Million Grant to Penn State Appears to Violate New Policy | Mother Jones
    Komen's Brinker denies political pressure in Planned Parenthood cutoff | wfaa.com Dallas - Fort Worth

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It was dishonest for you to argue that because it was an "established rule" it was apolitical.
    I said no such thing. On the contrary throughout my entire post I stated that it could quite possibly be a political thing, and if it was that's problematic. However, it absolutely was an "established" rule. THAT part is fact. Whether or not it was or wasn't political is purely opinion at this point unless you can provide me with some sort of evidence suggesting that it was done for political reasons. Throughout my post I repeatedly suggested there was the possability it could be political:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    If it was politicall motivated, they shouldn't have done it.
    ...
    REGARDLESS as to whether or not it was legit or political, Komen has done substantially good in regards to the research, education, and fight against Breast Cancer
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    all because you disagree with either a political position for your political reasons, or a legitimate business decision for your political reasons is dispicable.
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    Yes, if it was a political reasoning that caused this action that's a bad thing
    All comments in the very post you quoted that suggest that there is a distinct possability it was political. The only dishonest thing I see here is you attempting to suggest that I stated it was definitively apolitical.

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It was in the articl I linked to. Why don't you read it?
    I did. I see it stating that she was someone that didn't like planned parenthood and was pro-life. I saw nothing in it that suggested she did it because of those reasons. Please, perhaps I missed something, quote me the line stating proof she did it for political reasons and I'll go back and relook at it.

    And I notice that you're willing to ask me to prove my claim, but you're unwilling to do what you ask of others and prove what you dishonestly claimed. That is sanctimonious hypocricy
    Please, what dishonest claim did I make? The only one you've suggested so far is the dishonest and wrongful claim that I stated it was definitively apolitical.

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I said no such thing. On the contrary throughout my entire post I stated that it could quite possibly be a political thing, and if it was that's problematic. However, it absolutely was an "established" rule. THAT part is fact. Whether or not it was or wasn't political is purely opinion at this point unless you can provide me with some sort of evidence suggesting that it was done for political reasons. Throughout my post I repeatedly suggested there was the possability it could be political:
    You also calimed that the people who criticized Komen did so, not because they objected to a non-profit engaging in politics, but simply because of their politics

    they don't like the action and view it as politically against their politics and an organization they support due to their political beliefs
    Since you're so big on "causation" and proof () let's see your proof that the critics are "sanctimonious hypocrites" whose criticism is motivated by politics



    All comments in the very post you quoted that suggest that there is a distinct possability it was political. The only dishonest thing I see here is you attempting to suggest that I stated it was definitively apolitical.
    Your claim that the critics pointing to the politics was dishonest and only motivated by their not liking the action was dishonest. Now, let's see you offer the same sort of proof that you demand of others
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Since you're so big on "causation" and proof () let's see your proof that the critics are "sanctimonious hypocrites" whose criticism is motivated by politics
    It always gets me when people demand proof and offer none of their own for their baseless claims.

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