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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    OK, you're just babbling incoherently.
    If you can't understand simple English, there's nothing I can do to help you understand better.
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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    Maybe people need to learn to ask the right questions. Is Planned Parenthood's report any different from any other clinics? Did Planned Parenthood try to hide any information?
    Since you know the right questions to ask, perhaps you can provide us all with the answers?

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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Since you know the right questions to ask, perhaps you can provide us all with the answers?
    No. It's a silly assumption to think that a person who know the right questions to ask has the right answers. But according to the legal system, the assumption is innocent until proven guilty, it's on the party who think Planned Parenthood is guilty to show that they have tried to hide information or falsified their reports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    While I’ve heard all the ruckus in this thread about cancer/abortion accusations my understanding about the specifics have little to do with it. True the players have underlying agendas but on face they seem legitimate. Consider:

    Allegiance Defense Fund sent a report to Cliff Stearns that stating “These ten state audits found numerous improper practices resulting in significant Title XIX-Medicaid overpayments of nearly $8 million to Planned Parenthood affiliates for family planning and reproductive health services claims,” the report said. “Furthermore, thirty-eight federal audits of state family planning programs by HHS-OIG found between $88 million and $99 million in overbilling.” I have yet to find these HHS reports but 38 sounds pretty compelling.

    One in Five Planned Parenthood Affiliates Face Financial Controversy, Report Says | CNSnews.com

    Cliff Stearns initiated an investigation and sent a letter to PP stating ‘The Committee has questions about the policies in place and actions undertaken by PPFA and its affiliates relating to its use of federal funding and its compliance with federal restrictions on the funding of abortion’. Further they request information that details ‘how much PPFA and each affiliate expended and received in Title XIX Medicaid funding…”.

    http://www.lifenews.com/wp-content/u...estivation.pdf

    Notwithstanding the additional funding restrictions of abortion this would appear a legitimate investigation considering the allegations specific to the misuse of Medicaid funds.

    SGK stated their ‘cutoff results from the charity's newly adopted criteria barring grants to organizations that are under investigation by local, state or federal authorities’

    Cancer charity halts Planned Parenthood grants - CBS News

    Again, while I understand the presumed underlying agenda if this investigation was allowed to proceed to fruition AND nothing was found one could presume that SGK would reinstate the grant monies as if they didn't it would look very hypocritical. If on the other hand PP was found guilty of whatever it would legitimize SGK’s denial of the grant. Ultimately what is PP afraid of if they are innocent? Personally I could care less but $88-99 million in overbilling is a pretty large chunk of change...

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    I love it.

    So Komen cuts funding to planned parenthood due to an established rule within their organization that is under investigation by authorities.

    People proclaim that despite this established rule being clearly within the Komen organizational structure that it was done for political reasons.

    They then start urging people to stop donating to Komen (most of the time from what I saw without suggesting any other alternative breast cancer charity to donate too) and belittle the good they do becuase they're "political", all based off the fact that because they don't like the action and view it as politically against their politics and an organization they support due to their political beliefs.

    Bunch of sanctimonious hypocrites throughout this.

    If it was in their rules, they should've cut the funding until such point that the rules got changed. If it was politicall motivated, they shouldn't have done it. REGARDLESS as to whether or not it was legit or political, Komen has done substantially good in regards to the research, education, and fight against Breast Cancer and its absolutely dispicable and low that so many people are happily trashing, belittling, and insulting the organization and its efforts (I swear every stupid "pink spatula" comment I see lowers and lowers my respect for those stating it). If you didn't like the action by all means you should contact the organization, complain, suggest they change it. Hell, if you wanted to suggest an alternative breast cancer orgnaization more power too you. But for people to belittle it, to encourage people to not donate to it and nothing beyond that, to demonize the work they do all because you disagree with either a political position for your political reasons, or a legitimate business decision for your political reasons is dispicable.

    Would breast cancer research suddenly no longer be funded and be successful if Planned Parenthood didn't get funding? Would there be no breast exams done or provided if Planned Parenthood didn't get funding? Would there have been no further education of Breast Cancer if Planned Parenthood didn't get funding? Yes, if it was a political reasoning that caused this action that's a bad thing...but significantlly less bad imho then actively attempting to harm an organizatoin that was and is still SIGNIFICANTLY providing a huge service to women, and people in general, across the United States and the world due to your OWN political issues and hangups.

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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    Learn the definition of what a lie means, and also a smear. That piece is a smear, that 3% of the services provided by planned parenthood is abortion is not a lie unless you claim their reports are false. That 10% of the people it served seek abortion does not contradict the fact that 3% of the services it provided is abortion.
    Question, because I honestly don't know....

    What are "emergency contraception kits"? If its the "morning after pill" then that somewhat skews the numbers as that is one of those things that is a bit controversial in regards to whether or not its viewed as a "contraceptive" or if its viewed as "abortion".

    IF that is what those "emergency contraception kits" are...and as I said, I'm not versed on this enough to know for sure which is why I'm asking...then that skews things a bit. For those that view any killing after conception, such as the morning after pill, as "abortoin" and not contraception then it'd move those emergency kits from Contraception to Abortion services. That changes the numbers as such...

    Contraception would becoming 21.7% of their total 2008 costs where as Abortion services would make up 16.1%. Still a smaller fraction than their contraceptive, STD, and cancer screening expenditures, but significantly more than the 3% that is being presented.

    Also, since I saw it mentioned...in 2008 their resources spent in regards to adoption is was .02% of their total funds.

    I disagree with the notion that planned parenthood is primarily about abortion, and I have no issues with contraception being provided...but I do think its worth while to paint an honest picture based on the mentality and views of BOTH SIDES regarding their expenditures if that $1.5 million of emergency contraception kits actually is the morning after pill.

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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    If you can't understand simple English, there's nothing I can do to help you understand better.
    I understood the English; it just didn't say anything.
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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I love it.

    So Komen cuts funding to planned parenthood due to an established rule within their organization that is under investigation by authorities.

    People proclaim that despite this established rule being clearly within the Komen organizational structure that it was done for political reasons.

    They then start urging people to stop donating to Komen (most of the time from what I saw without suggesting any other alternative breast cancer charity to donate too) and belittle the good they do becuase they're "political", all based off the fact that because they don't like the action and view it as politically against their politics and an organization they support due to their political beliefs.
    When you become the enemy, everything you do becomes evil. This includes everything that was formerly good. You must embrace the totality, or there is not one shred of good about you.
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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    It seems that the anti-abortion rights nazi who used Komen to promote her own political agenda has been kicked out of the Komen org.
    Karen Handel explains Komen resignation, blasts Planned Parenthood - Los Angeles Times
    Last edited by sangha; 02-09-12 at 01:20 PM.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I love it.

    So Komen cuts funding to planned parenthood due to an established rule within their organization that is under investigation by authorities.

    People proclaim that despite this established rule being clearly within the Komen organizational structure that it was done for political reasons.
    Bunch of sanctimonious hypocrites throughout this.
    Yes, the rightwingers are sanctimonious hypocrits, which is why they have been so dishonest about the facts. For example, the way you describe the situtation was completely dishonest
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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