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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    Wrong. Did Planned Parenthood not provide those services in 2008? No.

    Here's 2008: [URL]

    I didn't claim that they should be against oral contraceptives if they want to fight cancer, so no thanks to the goose chase. If they aren't, why should they have a double standard when it comes to Planned Parenthood?
    I'm sorry that you are refusing to understand that the graph depicts pregnancy-related services rendered to pregnant women seeking pregnancy-related services at Planned Parenthood due to pregnancy. Pregnancy tests are irrelevant because not all of the women who have them are pregnant, they are not vital to pregnancy or women's health, and the point of the graph is to show how pregnancy is treated at Planned Parenthood. Now go ahead and freak out about that if you want to, but I'm done talking about it.

    I have not claimed that Susan G. Komen should be against oral contraceptives, but I will claim now for the record that they should not spend donor money to provide contraceptives, as that is not in the interest of fighting cancer, and I maintain that Komen money would go farther toward the eradication of cancer if given directly to a clinic that provides mammograms rather than to an institution like Planned Parenthood. Regardless, it is Susan G. Komen's decision and I think the response from Planned Parenthood supporters was disgraceful.

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    If there's no $680K to hire the people for the breast exam or pay for any necessary equipments, there's no people or equipment to do the exam whether the women can pay 91cents or not.
    So . . . a breast exam costs 91 cents, period? It must if you're claiming that there can be no breast exams without SGK's $680K. Is that your claim?

    And if so, PP can't take 0.07% from a different part of its operating budget to cover them, if their importance is of such staggering level? That sounds pretty cruel to me.

    Never mind that they made up the shortfall in a matter of days.


    The anti-Planned Parenthood paranoids. What falsehood have been said about the Komen foundation that it is a "smear campaign"?
    Really? You are THAT uninformed?

    Ask Terry O'Neill. Ask the people who hacked SGK's website and posted a link called "Find out why Susan G. Komen hates poor women."
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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    The motivation for the post is the same any other posts here, to make a point, whether you got the point or not doesn't negate that.
    Which was?

    You addressed it to me, so it would be nice if it had something to do with anything I said.
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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    In reality, the ACS's website says that full term pregnancy increases breast cancer risk, so again, should SGK start funding abortions?
    In reality, American Cancer Society's website states that women who have had no children have a slightly higher breast cancer risk, while having many pregnancies or becoming pregnant at a young age reduces breast cancer risk.

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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    I'm sorry that you are refusing to understand that the graph depicts pregnancy-related services rendered to pregnant women seeking pregnancy-related services at Planned Parenthood due to pregnancy. Pregnancy tests are irrelevant because not all of the women who have them are pregnant, they are not vital to pregnancy or women's health, and the point of the graph is to show how pregnancy is treated at Planned Parenthood. Now go ahead and freak out about that if you want to, but I'm done talking about it.
    Projecting much? Just pointing out the dishonesty, if you don't want to talk about it, then don't reply.


    I have not claimed that Susan G. Komen should be against oral contraceptives, but I will claim now for the record that they should not spend donor money to provide contraceptives, as that is not in the interest of fighting cancer, and I maintain that Komen money would go farther toward the eradication of cancer if given directly to a clinic that provides mammograms rather than to an institution like Planned Parenthood. Regardless, it is Susan G. Komen's decision and I think the response from Planned Parenthood supporters was disgraceful.
    Nor are they using Komen's money for contraceptive at Planned Parenthood, you are the one who is trying to use contraception as an arguement against Planned Parenthood. Why not just come out and say you are against Planned Parenthood, not contraceptive, instead going around the bush.
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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    So . . . a breast exam costs 91 cents, period? It must if you're claiming that there can be no breast exams without SGK's $680K. Is that your claim?

    And if so, PP can't take 0.07% from a different part of its operating budget to cover them, if their importance is of such staggering level? That sounds pretty cruel to me.

    Never mind that they made up the shortfall in a matter of days.
    Re-read the thread until you finally get what the post was in reply to.



    Really? You are THAT uninformed?

    Ask Terry O'Neill. Ask the people who hacked SGK's website and posted a link called "Find out why Susan G. Komen hates poor women."
    So that's your smear campaign? Well get in line, Planned Parenthood get first claim.
    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

    Brian

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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Which was?

    You addressed it to me, so it would be nice if it had something to do with anything I said.
    You talked about legitimate choice, didn't you? Seriously, just read what you wrote, if you don't understand, re-read the thread again and again until you do. It's the second time you make ignorant implications which could be easily avoided by reading the thread carefully.
    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Cpwill - "If you go in, they do a check up, give you an abortion, and then hand you some counseling material, then you leave..."
    How do you know if the general facts differ here from what has been claimed?

    If you're going to play this game, why don't you tell everybody your own abortion experience? Do you have to have walked into a clinic yourself?

    If so, have you?

    Oh, and have you ever been pregnant, or is your own opinon second-hand too?

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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    You talked about legitimate choice, didn't you? Seriously, just read what you wrote, if you don't understand, re-read the thread again and again until you do. It's the second time you make ignorant implications which could be easily avoided by reading the thread carefully.
    OK, you're just babbling incoherently.
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    Re: Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the 3% is a.... well, it's an interesting accounting trick. If you go in, they do a check up, give you an abortion, and then hand you some counseling material, then you leave... they count that as three separate services, of which abortion only makes up 33%.

    what they don't do is provide mammograms. komen's original move was legit (especially given the whole "under investigation for shielding child sex traffickers" thing), and the hate-storm it inspired (their grant was less than the compensation of PP's president) was... well, indicative of the nature of the movement.

    NOW was particularly telling. Those seeking to cure breast cancer are "anti-Woman" if they don't give money to Planned Parenthood? please.

    Maybe people need to learn to ask the right questions. Is Planned Parenthood's report any different from any other clinics? Did Planned Parenthood try to hide any information?
    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

    Brian

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