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US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

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My bet is you were playing with transformers during the 1980 election campaign and weren't paying any attention to the economic conditions. Instead you act like an expert again on a topic you know nothing about.
Last time you made a bet like that, I took it immediately but unfortunately for me, you ran away from your own bet.

So now, once again, I accept that bet. How about $1,000? If not cash, how about forum time? If I can prove you wrong, you cease posting on this forum for 1 year?

It's put up or shut up time, Con.




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And exactly what did Reagan do to cause the prime interest rate to go up to 20% in 1980 when he wasn't even in office until January 21, 1981? Higher intererst rates are supposed to control inflation and Reagan wasn't even in the Federal Government in 1980? You full of crap if you believe that the American people were worse off in January 2009 than January 1981, that is total ignorance and someone who wasn't old enough to even know about 1980

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What he did was support Volcker's tight monetary policy when he did come into office. He backed Volcker and then rewarded him by appointing him to another term as Fed chief.
 
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Last time you made a bet like that, I took it immediately but unfortunately for me, you ran away from your own bet.

So now, once again, I accept that bet. How about $1,000? If not cash, how about forum time? If I can prove you wrong, you cease posting on this forum for 1 year?

It's put up or shut up time, Con.




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It really would be a lot smarter for you to actually shut up and get back on topic. Thanks for pointing out that Jimmy Carter had better numbers than Obama and Carter is called the worst President in Modern history. Still waiting for how Reagan and Volker got together and raised interest rates to 20% in 1980 before Reagan took office? Keep diverting, Sheik for that is all an Obama supporter can do. Remember Obama loves you and people like you as he laughs his ass off at how foolish he is making you look
 
What he did was support Volcker's tight monetary policy when he did come into office. He backed Volcker and then rewarded him by appointing him to another term as Fed chief.

And after he took office economic policies were implemented in August 1981 that actually brought us back onto the road to recovery and led to interest rates dropping and people having more personal income. Reagan showed the leadership Obama can only dream about but is too arrogant to emulate.
 
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Well since you swear, you must be right. Who am I to argue with that?

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And after he took office economic policies were implemented in August 1981 that actually brought us back onto the road to recovery and led to interest rates dropping and people having more personal income. Reagan showed the leadership Obama can only dream about but is too arrogant to emulate.

Yes, if you could ever pull your head out of your partisan nether regions, you would see that I wasn't criticizing Reagan. He and Volcker did the right thing when the put the economy in recession. Obama faced an even worse, and very different sort of economy, and he has also taken the right course.
 
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Well since you swear, you must be right. Who am I to argue with that?

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I accept your surrender as I am sure you opened the link and saw interest rates at 20% before Reagan took office so that begs the question how did Reagan get Volcker to implement a tighter money policy before he was even elected to Federal Office?
 
Yes, if you could ever pull your head out of your partisan nether regions, you would see that I wasn't criticizing Reagan. He and Volcker did the right thing when the put the economy in recession. Obama faced an even worse, and very different sort of economy, and he has also taken the right course.

He(Reagan) had nothing to do with economic or monetary policy in 1980 so whose head is really in their ass. Obama has taken the right course? LOL
 
He(Reagan) had nothing to do with economic or monetary policy in 1980 so whose head is really in their ass. Obama has taken the right course? LOL

Did he have something to do with monetary policy in 1981-83? Did he in any way pressure Volcker to alter his course from 1980? No, he didn't. He supported him and then reappointed him when he had the chance. Pull your head out.
 
It really would be a lot smarter for you to actually shut up and get back on topic.
Translation: you are running away from the bet again.

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C'mon, Con, you made a bet, now let's agree to the terms.


Thanks for pointing out that Jimmy Carter had better numbers than Obama and Carter is called the worst President in Modern history.
When do you stop lying, Con? I showed you the latest poll on the subject and Carter isn't the worst called the worst president in modern history, Nixon is. Even Bush was worse than Carter.

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You've been shown this, so for you to continue to maintain otherwise cannot be considered a mistake on your part. It's a dreadful combination of wishful thinking and you lying once again.

Still waiting for how Reagan and Volker got together and raised interest rates to 20% in 1980 before Reagan took office? Keep diverting, Sheik for that is all an Obama supporter can do. Remember Obama loves you and people like you as he laughs his ass off at how foolish he is making you look
That's been asked and answered 100 times, Con. You can search for my answer if you really want to know.
 
I accept your surrender as I am sure you opened the link and saw interest rates at 20% before Reagan took office so that begs the question how did Reagan get Volcker to implement a tighter money policy before he was even elected to Federal Office?
Now you're arguing a strawman, Con. 5 yard penalty.

I never said Reagan got volker to implement that policy.

Now then, what are the terms of the bet you made with me? I propose the loser of the bet can't post anywhere on debatepolitics.com. Ok?
 
Did he have something to do with monetary policy in 1981-83? Did he in any way pressure Volcker to alter his course from 1980? No, he didn't. He supported him and then reappointed him when he had the chance. Pull your head out.

Read the chart and tell me what interest rates did in 1981-83, they came down, the monetary policy was implemented in late 70's and carried through the election. Reagan leadership put more money into the hands of the taxpayers and that led to an economic boom which forced interest rates down. Too bad you weren't old enough to have experienced the period of time
 
Now you're arguing a strawman, Con. 5 yard penalty.

I never said Reagan got volker to implement that policy.

Now then, what are the terms of the bet you made with me? I propose the loser of the bet can't post anywhere on debatepolitics.com. Ok?

You have to make up your mind which I know is hard for a wage slave to do but Reagan inherited an economy with a high misery index indicating high inflation and rising unemployment. Volcker implemented the tight monetary policy in the late 70's that carried through into 1981. Reagan's economic policies were implemented in August 1981 and started benefiting the economy in fiscal year 1982. Too bad you weren't old enough then to understand what Reagan did and the fact that Reagan didn't do anything to force Volcker to put the economy into recession as it was already headed there. Reagan tax cuts brought us out of it rapidly as the results show. Obama can only dream about Reagan leadership but is to arrogant to emulate it.
 
Translation: you are running away from the bet again.

:roll:

C'mon, Con, you made a bet, now let's agree to the terms.


When do you stop lying, Con? I showed you the latest poll on the subject and Carter isn't the worst called the worst president in modern history, Nixon is. Even Bush was worse than Carter.

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You've been shown this, so for you to continue to maintain otherwise cannot be considered a mistake on your part. It's a dreadful combination of wishful thinking and you lying once again.


That's been asked and answered 100 times, Con. You can search for my answer if you really want to know.

You might also check out the most recent survey among presidential scholars. You will not that Obama ranks above Reagan and WAY above Bush. :lol:

Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Translation: you are running away from the bet again.

:roll:

C'mon, Con, you made a bet, now let's agree to the terms.



When do you stop lying, Con? I showed you the latest poll on the subject and Carter isn't the worst called the worst president in modern history, Nixon is. Even Bush was worse than Carter.

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You've been shown this, so for you to continue to maintain otherwise cannot be considered a mistake on your part. It's a dreadful combination of wishful thinking and you lying once again.


That's been asked and answered 100 times, Con. You can search for my answer if you really want to know.

I have searched and searched and found no evidence that Reagan was in the office anytime during he 1980's when interest rates rose to over 20%. Your loyalty to Obama policies is going to be your downfall. You can accept that prediction or do what you always do, ignore it.
 
You have to make up your mind which I know is hard for a wage slave to do but Reagan inherited an economy with a high misery index indicating high inflation and rising unemployment. Volcker implemented the tight monetary policy in the late 70's that carried through into 1981. Reagan's economic policies were implemented in August 1981 and started benefiting the economy in fiscal year 1982. Too bad you weren't old enough then to understand what Reagan did and the fact that Reagan didn't do anything to force Volcker to put the economy into recession as it was already headed there. Reagan tax cuts brought us out of it rapidly as the results show. Obama can only dream about Reagan leadership but is to arrogant to emulate it.

Wait, Mr. Stop-blaming-it-on-Bush is blaming Reagan's recession on Carter? OMFG!! :2rofll:
 
You might also check out the most recent survey among presidential scholars. You will not that Obama ranks above Reagan and WAY above Bush. :lol:

Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Impressive and probably more so to the 24 million unemployed/under employed Americans and all taxpayers who will be paying the debt service on the 5.7 trillion debt that Obama will generate by the end of fiscal year 2012. The supporters today deserve this American Idol President as they ignore his record.

Sienna poll taken in 2010 before the booming 1.8% GDP growth in 2011 and the additional trillions added to the debt as of today.
 
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Wait, Mr. Stop-blaming-it-on-Bush is blaming Reagan's recession on Carter? OMFG!! :2rofll:

Right, Carter was an economic genius that left the country with high inflation, high interest rates and an increasing unemployment rate. Carter was so good he had a recession in 1980 so anyone that blames Reagan for a recession that began in July 1981 before his policies were even passed by Congress is a true Obama supporter, too ignorant to vote.
 
Right, Carter was an economic genius that left the country with high inflation, high interest rates and an increasing unemployment rate. Carter was so good he had a recession in 1980 so anyone that blames Reagan for a recession that began in July 1981 before his policies were even passed by Congress is a true Obama supporter, too ignorant to vote.

You can't even see the nova-like hypocrisy, can you? :lol:
 
You can't even see the nova-like hypocrisy, can you? :lol:

No but I see a lot of proof that Obama supporters really are the most gullible, misinformed, and ignorant voters in this country today
 
You have to make up your mind which I know is hard for a wage slave to do but Reagan inherited an economy with a high misery index indicating high inflation and rising unemployment. Volcker implemented the tight monetary policy in the late 70's that carried through into 1981. Reagan's economic policies were implemented in August 1981 and started benefiting the economy in fiscal year 1982. Too bad you weren't old enough then to understand what Reagan did and the fact that Reagan didn't do anything to force Volcker to put the economy into recession as it was already headed there. Reagan tax cuts brought us out of it rapidly as the results show. Obama can only dream about Reagan leadership but is to arrogant to emulate it.


errrr reagan raised taxes in '82
 
You have to make up your mind...
I've answered your question about what Reagan did to cause the 1981-82 recession enough times that an honest person would not have ascribed the position to me that you made. And my answer has never swayed.

which I know is hard for a wage slave to do but Reagan inherited an economy with a high misery index indicating high inflation and rising unemployment.
Stop lying, Con. Unemployment was not rising when Reagan became president. Here are the last 2 quarters of 1980 and the first 2 quarters of 1981

07/80: 7.8%
08/80: 7.7%
09/80: 7.5%
10/80: 7.5%
11/80: 7.5%
12/80: 7.2%
01/80: 7.5%
------------> Reagan sworn in
02/80: 7.4%
03/80: 7.4%
04/80: 7.2%
05/80: 7.5%
06/80: 7.5%


Volcker implemented the tight monetary policy in the late 70's that carried through into 1981. Reagan's economic policies were implemented in August 1981 and started benefiting the economy in fiscal year 1982.
Umm, the economy grew worse in FY1982. It was Reagan raising taxes that launched the economic boom.

Too bad you weren't old enough then to understand what Reagan did and the fact that Reagan didn't do anything to force Volcker to put the economy into recession as it was already headed there. Reagan tax cuts brought us out of it rapidly as the results show. Obama can only dream about Reagan leadership but is to arrogant to emulate it.
C'mon, Con, put your convictions front and center ... take the bet that you made.
 
I have searched and searched and found no evidence that Reagan was in the office anytime during he 1980's when interest rates rose to over 20%. Your loyalty to Obama policies is going to be your downfall. You can accept that prediction or do what you always do, ignore it.
Umm, what does that have to do with the post you responded to??

Oh, wait ... nothing at all.

Ok, carry on.

Wait! But first, the bet you made.

I'm accepting it. Why are you running away now from your own bet??



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Says it all.

Posted this in another thread, but it's apropos here:

Reagan kept as chairman of the Federal Reserve Board the man Carter had appointed: Paul Volcker. And Volcker continued his policy of high interest rates to squeeze inflation out of the economy.

The high interest rates slowed the economy -- viewed by Volcker and Reagan (and Thatcher in Britain) as temporary medicine that had to be endured. By the summer of 1981, people had difficulty borrowing money for homes and cars, and many business people could not borrow money to invest in growth. Automobile sales declined. The economy went into recession. In 1982 business failures were triple what they were in 1979, and unemployment by the end of 1982 was at 10.8 percent, its highest since the 1930s. In 1982 the economy declined by 2.2 percent growth. The prime interest rate reached 21.5 percent in June. And the cover of a publication for builders had an image of a "wanted" poster of Volcker and accused him of having murdered millions of small businesses. Congressmen moved to impeach Volcker or to appoint members of the Federal Reserve Board who would be sympathetic to farmers, workers, consumers and small businesses. Jack Kemp, a Republican congressman from New York, called for Volcker's resignation. In August 1982, Senator Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia introduced the Balanced Monetary Policy Act of 1982, which would have forced a reduction in interest rates.

Reagan was portrayed as leading an economic assault against ordinary Americans. He supported Volcker through 1982, and in January 1983 his approval rating was down to 35 percent, with 56 percent disapproving -- as the economy was beginning to recover. Interest rates fell from over 20 percent down to 10 percent, and in the first three months of 1983 the economy had a rate of growth equivalent to 2.6 percent per year. In the second three months (quarter) of the year the economy grew as a 10.9 percent rate (annualized). In 1983, inflation was 3.2 percent -- down from 10.3 percent in 1981. And for last half of 1983 and into 1984 the economy's growth rate hovered between 7.4 and 5 percent.

The medicine that so many had disliked had worked. The economy was booming. Joy had spread to Wall Street. The Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) had bottomed at 784 in March, 1982. Anticipating recovery it had reached 1,000 in October, 1983, and had climbed to a new high of 1,200 in April, 1983 -- where it was at re-election time in 1984.

President Reagan's Economic Policies
 
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