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US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

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evanescence said:
Partisan politics suck ****. Now wait for it....

Here come the two party apologists.
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Here come the "other" who stand for nothing at all. It's like Obama voting "Present".
 
LBJ is the reason why blacks vote democract. It is the modern day slavery!
 
Amigo said:
That has to do with bush's spending, not Dodd-Frank. Again, you were wussified, so what ever you think is right, because if your wrong it would hurt your poor self esteem.
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Still waiting for you to prove you're not insane. What did Bush's spend have to do with? And what did Dodd and Frank do? You put this out there but now you're refusing to explain this incoherent rant.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Had any one of those people had the same 96 page NIE that George Bush had, they wouldn't have made those comments. Bush had more id information than tbey had and he was the only one who could deploy troops on a wild goose chase through Iraq for WMD which weren't there.
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This is dishonest. Intelligence is available to members of the house and senate intelligence committees. The Democratic Party leadership and the Republican Party leadership had the same intelligence picture as the president.

All of the major western intelligence agencies believed Hussein had chemical and biological agents. Most believed he was developing the technologies that lead to nuclear weapons. I believe that Hussein was the target of intentional deception by his subordinates and that every intelligence agency believed the deception. Given his prior use of chemical weapons against his political enemies and the Iranians it was a reasonable, even if wrong, assessment.

I do not understand your apparent hatred for G. Bush. I can understand why you wanted to defeat him. Despite your hate try to be honest.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
By the way, no, neither the House nor the Senate had the same information Bush had. With the exception of the Senate Intelligence committee, they had a 28 page version of Bush's 96 page NIE.

Once again, you need to be schooled by a Liberal because you simply just don't know WTF you're talking about.
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Your arguments are faulty. The house and senate members of the intelligence committees are regularly briefed. This was not a one time deal. Nor is it one way. The members can and do ask questions. The intelligence community is required to provide answers appropriate to their level of clearance. The answers don't change when the classification level goes up.

once upon a time I was involved with briefing books. The all source analysis guys routinely identified topics of interest to their audience and reviewed all levels of material as they wrote the briefing pieces. The books were also tailored to the level of interest the audience had in the topic. Some people want only the bottom line. Others want all the details that went into the assessment. I have seen both. And the answers did not change.
 
Conservative said:
Reagan, "Are you better off today than you were 4 years ago?" American electorate, "NO" thus a Reagan victory

GOP Candidate, "Are you better off today than you were 4 years ago?" American electorate, "NO, Misery index 7.83 in Jan 2009 and 11.46 in December 2010"

The liberal truth somehow ignores the liberal results, why is that?
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The difference today is that we have had additional decades of legal plunder by the government. The people think they love plunder. Everyone plunders everyone else and we all believe we are the ones who will magically receive more plunder than we had plundered from us. Once a majority believed that government's purpose was to make us all equal instead of protecting us and our property from all others communism was the logical end point.

The US may very well be doomed. We do get the leaders we deserve.
 
Misterveritis said:
The difference today is that we have had additional decades of legal plunder by the government. The people think they love plunder. Everyone plunders everyone else and we all believe we are the ones who will magically receive more plunder than we had plundered from us. Once a majority believed that government's purpose was to make us all equal instead of protecting us and our property from all others communism was the logical end point.

The US may very well be doomed. We do get the leaders we deserve.
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Which is what makes this quite interesting

The Agenda - (trailer) - YouTube
 
Misterveritis said:
Your arguments are faulty. The house and senate members of the intelligence committees are regularly briefed. This was not a one time deal. Nor is it one way. The members can and do ask questions. The intelligence community is required to provide answers appropriate to their level of clearance. The answers don't change when the classification level goes up.

once upon a time I was involved with briefing books. The all source analysis guys routinely identified topics of interest to their audience and reviewed all levels of material as they wrote the briefing pieces. The books were also tailored to the level of interest the audience had in the topic. Some people want only the bottom line. Others want all the details that went into the assessment. I have seen both. And the answers did not change.
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My posts on the matter were neither deceiptful nor faulty. In countering the absurd claim that the Senate and House have access to the same intel as the president, I pointed out that access was limited to a select few, that the vast majority of Congress does not share that same level of clearance as the president.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
My posts on the matter were neither deceiptful nor faulty. In countering the absurd claim that the Senate and House have access to the same intel as the president, I pointed out that access was limited to a select few, that the vast majority of Congress does not share that same level of clearance as the president.
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The committees are selected by their members and if they aren't briefed by the members then like on all issues to liberals it is someone else's fault, right? Why would any responsible person vote on an authorization of force without getting briefed? You keep digging that hole deeper for liberalism.
 
Conservative said:
The committees are selected by their members and if they aren't briefed by the members then like on all issues to liberals it is someone else's fault, right? Why would any responsible person vote on an authorization of force without getting briefed? You keep digging that hole deeper for liberalism.
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First, everyone doesn't have clearance to get the full brief. Second, even those who did have clearance were fed selective and unreliable intelligence, courtesy of Bush's "novel" intelligence gathering system.

Stovepiping by the Bush Administration

Another meaning of stovepiping is "piping" of raw intelligence data directly to decision makers, bypassing established procedures for review by professional intelligence analysts for validity (a process known as vetting), an important concern since the information may have been presented by a dishonest source with ulterior motives, or may be invalid for myriad other reasons.[2] The risk inherent with stovepiping is that government policy will have been based on faulty intelligence, and thus will be without rational basis (a garbage in, garbage out scenario).

The Office of Special Plans (OSP), created by the Bush administration, stovepiped raw intelligence related to Saddam Hussein's government in Iraq to high level Bush administration officials. Professional analysts from other departments determined that many of these reports originated with dishonest sources or were untrue for other reasons (see e.g. Curveball), and the process of vetting would have prevented their reaching decision makers through normal channels. This stovepiping by the OSP had the effect of providing a substantial portion of the untrue allegations that formed the publicly declared justifications for the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, such as allegations of collaboration with Al Qaeda and an ongoing program of weapons of mass destruction.[3]
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Stovepiping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Conservative said:
The committees are selected by their members and if they aren't briefed by the members then like on all issues to liberals it is someone else's fault, right? Why would any responsible person vote on an authorization of force without getting briefed? You keep digging that hole deeper for liberalism.
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Now you're ascribing a position to me that I didn't take. I didn't say Congress wasn't briefed. I said there were some members who received the same NIE as Bush but tgat the vast majority of Congress could only get access to the heavily redacted White Paper.
 
AdamT said:
First, everyone doesn't have clearance to get the full brief. Second, even those who did have clearance were fed selective and unreliable intelligence, courtesy of Bush's "novel" intelligence gathering system.



Stovepiping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Total and complete bull**** especially when you have "George "slam dunk" Tenet from the Clinton Administration? Was Bush in charge of the 1998-2000 intelligence as well? You people really do have a sickness, get over it
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:


Now you're ascribing a position to me that I didn't take. I didn't say Congress wasn't briefed. I said there were some members who received the same NIE as Bush but tgat the vast majority of Congress could only get access to the heavily redacted White Paper.
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There is nothing to prevent Democrats from questioning their own members of the Intelligence committees and you know it. This really is a sickness on your part and you want badly to believe what the left tells you. You have constantly called Bush a liar but ignore the lies of your own liberal wing of the party. That is being a hypocrit
 
Blue_State said:
I blame the intelligence committee.
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It is a lot easier for a liberal to place blame than accept responsibility. They do it so well. Isn't it amazing that negative results are Bush's and any perceived positive results are Obama's and they change depending on the news, i.e. an improving economy is Obama's but having fewer people employed and 1.059 million discouraged workers in December 2011 is Bush's responsibility? Rising home construction are Obama's but record foreclosure for 2010 year ending are Bush's? 3.6% GDP growth in 2010 are Obama results but 1.8% GDP growth in 2011 are Bush's results? You see how easy it is to be a liberal?
 
Conservative said:
It is a lot easier for a liberal to place blame than accept responsibility. They do it so well. Isn't it amazing that negative results are Bush's and any perceived positive results are Obama's and they change depending on the news, i.e. an improving economy is Obama's but having fewer people employed and 1.059 million discouraged workers in December 2011 is Bush's responsibility? Rising home construction are Obama's but record foreclosure for 2010 year ending are Bush's? 3.6% GDP growth in 2010 are Obama results but 1.8% GDP growth in 2011 are Bush's results? You see how easy it is to be a liberal?
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More private sector jobs have been created in the last three years of Obama than 8 years of Bush.
 
pbrauer said:
More private sector jobs have been created in the last three years of Obama than 8 years of Bush.
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And yet there is a net private sector job loss since Obama took office. Looks to me like Democrats were more interested in regaining the WH in 2008 than doing their job for that is when all the job losses during the Bush adminstration occurred.

2001 111634 111624 111555 111227 111146 110910 110737 110544 110276 109918 109575 109368
2002 109214 109054 108989 108892 108814 108824 108732 108671 108659 108772 108758 108595
2003 108640 108484 108286 108252 108274 108233 108231 108266 108421 108570 108611 108724
2004 108882 108913 109213 109437 109747 109841 109883 109984 110135 110465 110493 110624
2005 110718 110949 111095 111441 111583 111847 112122 112311 112392 112492 112796 112934
2006 113247 113533 113795 113961 113965 114049 114200 114347 114432 114438 114628 114803
2007 114993 115051 115251 115308 115419 115469 115486 115391 115396 115470 115568 115606
2008 115610 115482 115395 115209 114969 114752 114487 114170 113736 113245 112458 111822
2009 110981 110260 109473 108700 108374 107936 107649 107434 107221 106971 106937 106835
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Amazing how brainwashed liberals really are
 
pbrauer said:
Rush Limbaugh Leads GOP In Pondering How To Deal With Improving Economy | TPM2012
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Yes, that improving economy, 3.6% GDP growth in 2010 and 1.8% GDP growth in 2011. That kind of improving economy? What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty? Is Obama's vision for America your vision? Class warfare? Redistribution of Wealth? Demonizing individual wealth creation? Nanny State for things like Healthcare, Church mandates? It really is sad to see our country headed in this direction and the support for that direction by a lot of good people. I don't understand people like you and never will. You are too old to buy into the Obama rhetoric and ignore the Obama results.
 
Conservative said:
And yet there is a net private sector job loss since Obama took office. Looks to me like Democrats were more interested in regaining the WH in 2008 than doing their job for that is when all the job losses during the Bush adminstration occurred.



Amazing how brainwashed liberals really are
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It seems to me you are not addressing what I wrote, but whatever. What are the Republicans going to do when the economy gets better? Romney was going to be the man who saves us all, that now appears to be out the window as a taking point. Do you agree, Con?
 
Conservative said:
Yes, that improving economy, 3.6% GDP growth in 2010 and 1.8% GDP growth in 2011. That kind of improving economy? What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty? Is Obama's vision for America your vision? Class warfare? Redistribution of Wealth? Demonizing individual wealth creation? Nanny State for things like Healthcare, Church mandates? It really is sad to see our country headed in this direction and the support for that direction by a lot of good people. I don't understand people like you and never will. You are too old to buy into the Obama rhetoric and ignore the Obama results.
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Church mandates?:lamo
 
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