US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

Blue_State · Feb 13, 2012

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Use the same BLS website you used to get the unemployent rate showing it's increased from 7.8% to 8.3% during Obama's first 36 months.

So ... how's that challenge coming along. ... ? Have you found normalized unemployment data for the dates before 2005?

Just one year will do. I mean if you are so confident in your challenge, you have the data right? Right??

Sheik Yerbuti · Feb 13, 2012

Conservative said:
What did Obama do to improve your economic conditions?

Passing ARRA helped turn losing 500,000 per month into gaining 150,000 jobs per month. My wife is a recruiter who stopped working 3 years. The job market has turned around that she went back to work late last year. Then there's my 401K which is up substantially since the stock market has responded so strongly to Obama's policies.

Conservative · Feb 13, 2012

Amigo said:
"Obama Money!"

Aw, yes, the obama stash!!

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Conservative · Feb 13, 2012

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Passing ARRA helped turn losing 500,000 per month into gaining 150,000 jobs per month. My wife is a recruiter who stopped working 3 years. The job market has turned around that she went back to work late last year. Then there's my 401K which is up substantially since the stock market has responded so strongly to Obama's policies.

How did that help you and your family? further you seem to ignore that those 500,000 per month simply dropped out of the labor force and no longer were counted. Obama policies of causing job losses improved the bottomline of companies by causing a reduction in payroll expense. Great job,Obama and typical liberal selfishness

Sheik Yerbuti · Feb 13, 2012

Blue_State said:
So ... how's that challenge coming along. ... ? Have you found normalized unemployment data for the dates before 2005?

Just one year will do. I mean if you are so confident in your challenge, you have the data right? Right??

I already answered thar. I told you can use the same BLS data you used to determine the unemployment rate went from 7.8% to 8.3% under Obama.

Conservative · Feb 13, 2012

Sheik Yerbuti said:
I already answered thar. I told you can use the same BLS data you used to determine the unemployment rate went from 7.8% to 8.3% under Obama.

But as stated, discouraged workers aren't counted as part of the unemployed like they were during the Reagan term. Just a minor fact that you want to ignore. Obama's discouraged workers are double Bush's on an average basis.

winston53660 · Feb 13, 2012

Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti
Passing ARRA helped turn losing 500,000 per month into gaining 150,000 jobs per month. My wife is a recruiter who stopped working 3 years. The job market has turned around that she went back to work late last year. Then there's my 401K which is up substantially since the stock market has responded so strongly to Obama's policies.

Conservative said:
How did that help you and your family?

Did you seriously just ask that?

pbrauer · Feb 13, 2012

Ut oh, look at President Obama's JAR!!! :mrgreen: It must be frustrating for those haters out there. Oh Well what has to be has to be. :lamo

Long Time Coming: Obama’s Approval Rating Goes Positive | TPM2012

Sheik Yerbuti · Feb 13, 2012

Conservative said:
How did that help you and your family? further you seem to ignore that those 500,000 per month simply dropped out of the labor force and no longer were counted. Obama policies of causing job losses improved the bottomline of companies by causing a reduction in payroll expense. Great job,Obama and typical liberal selfishness

Sorry, but I can't help you understand how my wife getting a job helps our family economically. That's just one of those things I would expect someone with your self proclaimed business savvy to understand.

As far as the work force losing 500,000 a month under Obama, that is just another one of your lies. In reality, the work force has increased under Obama.

Conservative · Feb 13, 2012

pbrauer said:
Ut oh, look at President Obama's JAR!!! :mrgreen: It must be frustrating for those haters out there. Oh Well what has to be has to be. :lamo

Long Time Coming: Obama’s Approval Rating Goes Positive | TPM2012

What really is frustrating is how people like you cannot defend the Obama record but simply ignore it. Facts never will get in the way of your personal opinion. Seems that half the country buys the rhetoric whereas the other half looks at the facts. GDP 2011 half of what it was in 2010, unemployment numbers higher than when he took office, 4.6 trillion added to the debt in 3 years with another 1.1 projected this year, dictating to the Church what they must do, Federal Healthcare program for all. Those the numbers liberals are proud of?

Conservative · Feb 13, 2012

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Sorry, but I can't help you understand how my wife getting a job helps our family economically. That's just one of those things I would expect someone with your self proclaimed business savvy to understand.

As far as the work force losing 500,000 a month under Obama, that is just another one of your lies. In reality, the work force has increased under Obama.

Your wife getting a job has nothing to do with Obama and yet you still give the President credit but never place any blame on what he has done. Just goes to show how brainwashed liberals are

You claim the workforce has grown under Obama. In 5 years since the recession began how much has the population grown compared to the workforce? Nothing is every going to change the mind of a liberal, including facts

Conservative · Feb 13, 2012

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Sorry, but I can't help you understand how my wife getting a job helps our family economically. That's just one of those things I would expect someone with your self proclaimed business savvy to understand.

As far as the work force losing 500,000 a month under Obama, that is just another one of your lies. In reality, the work force has increased under Obama.

Well, lookie here, how many 500,000 job losses can you find in 2009

Unemployed + Discouraged
2008 8145 7887 8217 8043 8795 8998 9411 9831 9968 10567 11152 11941
2009 12783 13591 14074 14536 15297 15520 15442 15619 15718 16229 16088 16053
2010 16018 16243 16122 16418 15959 15724 15794 15845 15783 15855 16386 15711
2011 14912 14771 14549 14781 14714 15006 15027 14897 14934 14726 14419 14042

Sheik Yerbuti · Feb 13, 2012

Conservative said:
But as stated, discouraged workers aren't counted as part of the unemployed like they were during the Reagan term. Just a minor fact that you want to ignore. Obama's discouraged workers are double Bush's on an average basis.

I'm not ignoring it. He brought up the U3 rate. So how am I ignoring somethng when I'm addressing the issue he raised? Should I have changed the topic to the U6 rate to make you happy?

Conservative · Feb 13, 2012

Sheik Yerbuti said:
I'm not ignoring it. He brought up the U3 rate. So how am I ignoring somethng when I'm addressing the issue he raised? Should I have changed the topic to the U6 rate to make you happy?

The the numbers for the U-3 rate are calculated differently from that during the Reagan years, something you seem to want to ignore.

Erod · Feb 13, 2012

Conservative said:
Well, lookie here, how many 500,000 job losses can you find in 2009

Unemployed + Discouraged
2008 8145 7887 8217 8043 8795 8998 9411 9831 9968 10567 11152 11941
2009 12783 13591 14074 14536 15297 15520 15442 15619 15718 16229 16088 16053
2010 16018 16243 16122 16418 15959 15724 15794 15845 15783 15855 16386 15711
2011 14912 14771 14549 14781 14714 15006 15027 14897 14934 14726 14419 14042

Obama's trying frantically to get everyone to just stop looking for work, so he can get that unemployment number to 0%.

That would be success!

AdamT · Feb 13, 2012

Conservative said:
The the numbers for the U-3 rate are calculated differently from that during the Reagan years, something you seem to want to ignore.

Do you have a cite to back up you claim?

Or, regardless, why don't you cite the U-6 number instead if you think that makes your case (hint -- it doesn't).

Amigo · Feb 13, 2012

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Passing ARRA helped turn losing 500,000 per month into gaining 150,000 jobs per month. My wife is a recruiter who stopped working 3 years. The job market has turned around that she went back to work late last year. Then there's my 401K which is up substantially since the stock market has responded so strongly to Obama's policies.

YOU might be OK, but most of the country aren't OK.

Sheik Yerbuti · Feb 13, 2012

Conservative said:
Your wife getting a job has nothing to do with Obama and yet you still give the President credit but never place any blame on what he has done. Just goes to show how brainwashed liberals are

You claim the workforce has grown under Obama. In 5 years since the recession began how much has the population grown compared to the workforce? Nothing is every going to change the mind of a liberal, including facts

I answered your question and explained how Obama's policies helped me and my family. I believe you don't understand because you don't want to understand. That's ok, Con, doesn't affect me one way or the other if you choose to keep your head buried in the sand.

TheNextEra · Feb 13, 2012

Amigo said:
YOU might be OK, but most of the country aren't OK.

Actually you are factually incorrect. Most of the country are not homeless, MOST of the country have jobs, MOST of the country are able to still pay for their mortgages, MOST of the country can put food on the table, and MOST of the country can pay their bills.

MOST of the country is doing OK.

Conservative · Feb 13, 2012

AdamT said:
Do you have a cite to back up you claim?

Or, regardless, why don't you cite the U-6 number instead if you think that makes your case (hint -- it doesn't).

Post the U-6 numbers during the Reagan years, thanks in advance.

Conservative · Feb 13, 2012

Sheik Yerbuti said:
I answered your question and explained how Obama's policies helped me and my family. I believe you don't understand because you don't want to understand. That's ok, Con, doesn't affect me one way or the other if you choose to keep your head buried in the sand.

Sheik, my head is fully above ground and my eyes open, Obama's policies have been a failure and the results show it. You buy the rhetoric and ignore the substance. you have a lot invested in the hated of Bush and ignorance of the data choosing to post percentage change vs. actual numbers.

Sheik Yerbuti · Feb 13, 2012

Conservative said:
The the numbers for the U-3 rate are calculated differently from that during the Reagan years, something you seem to want to ignore.

I'll say it slower this time so hopefully you'll understand ...

H e ... b r o u g h t ... u p ... t h e ... U3 ... r a t e,.

Capiche?

Conservative · Feb 13, 2012

Sheik Yerbuti said:
I'll say it slower this time so hopefully you'll understand ...

H e ... b r o u g h t ... u p ... t h e ... U3 ... r a t e,.

Capiche?

I have no problem with the U-3 rate except when you make the statement that no Republican President had a better performance than Obama especially when you ignore that the U-3 rate in the 80's was different than the U-3 rate after 1994. how about some intellectual honesty from a liberal? Reagan's unemployment, GDP growth, employment, and revenue growth to the govt. were much better than Obama's and the economy worse

Sheik Yerbuti · Feb 13, 2012

Amigo said:
YOU might be OK, but most of the country aren't OK.

If that's true, then voting him out of office should be a cinch.

AdamT · Feb 13, 2012

Conservative said:
Post the U-6 numbers during the Reagan years, thanks in advance.

Sure, as soon as you document your claim that the calculation of U-3 unemployment has changed since Reagan. TIA