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US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

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Conservative said:
What is sad is how little you know about debt service and no concept of future obligations. right now the interest rate on the debt is almost nothing, what happens when interest rates rise? What is the value of your dollar when it is eaten up by inflation and debt service. I hope I am around when you realize that you don't have all the answers
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Nixon/Ford: 0.3
Reagan: 1.7
GHW Bush: 1.6
Bush: 4.9
Republicans: 8.8

Carter: 0.3
Clinton: 1.5
Obama: 4.7
Democrats: 6.5

Cry me a river, Con.
 
This is all a lie by Obama:

The Labor Force Participation Rate:

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Don't Be Fooled, The Obama Unemployment Rate Is 11% - Forbes
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:

Nixon/Ford: 0.3
Reagan: 1.7
GHW Bush: 1.6
Bush: 4.9
Republicans: 8.8

Carter: 0.3
Clinton: 1.5
Obama: 4.7
Democrats: 6.5

Cry me a river, Con.
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Now let's see, Republicans 28 years or 314 billion per year

Democrats 15 years or 433 billion per year

Thanks for posting that information out of context and ignoring the number of years in office
 
Conservative said:
Now let's see, Republicans 28 years or 314 billion per year

Democrats 15 years or 433 billion per year

Thanks for posting that information out of context and ignoring the number of years in office
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Same thing I thought. Now I know more and more they drink Kool-aid.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Anyone else notice how the wingnuts never complained that the unemployment raye was inaccurate when it was going up?
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Most were saying it was worse than reported while it was going up, too. So it's not a matter of "noticing" anything; it's a matter of you making things up out of thin air.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Anyone else notice how the wingnuts never complained that the unemployment raye was inaccurate when it was going up? Seems all it takes to convince the herd that the BLS is incompetant is for unemployment to drop in an election year when a Democrat is in the White House.

:lol:
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I wasn't here on DP when the false unemployment numbers were going up. But at that time I knew, and have known. That the unemployment is higher than they claim.
 
Conservative said:
Now let's see, Republicans 28 years or 314 billion per year

Democrats 15 years or 433 billion per year

Thanks for posting that information out of context and ignoring the number of years in office
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...and the debt service we owe on that 8.8T is reduced how by averaging out nominal figures ... ?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
...and the debt service we owe on that 8.8T is reduced how by averaging out nominal figures ... ?
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Keep moving the goal posts while ignoring the present. You have a losing argument so keep making it worse for yourself
 
Harshaw said:
Most were saying it was worse than reported while it was going up, too. So it's not a matter of "noticing" anything; it's a matter of you making things up out of thin air.
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Higher, yes, but I don't recall charges of the BLS deceptively making up numbers.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Anyone else notice how the wingnuts never complained that the unemployment raye was inaccurate when it was going up?

:lol:
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I don't know up, down....But could someone on the liberal progressive left tell Obama to please turn the raye off....It is hurting the folks.


j-mac
 
Amigo said:
You are losing this debate. ;)
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I am? I didn't realize you were in a position to judge? But fine, if you want to average it by years in order to hide the actual amounts, then add in JFK/LBJ .... brings the number down under $300 billion.
 
How many of these jobs supposedly created are

Burger flipping jobs
part time
low wage
temporary
etc. etc.


j-mac
 
Conservative said:
Did you subtract the dealerships that Obama put out of business and those employees? Did you figure out how many of those saved jobs were state jobs which are state, not federal taxpayer responsibilities? What is it about Obama that creates this kind of loyalty that causes good people like you to forget how to think?
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Whatta ****en joke you are. You state this in post #716 “GM doesn't employ three million people “in response to this statement I made to dickeyboy “the Obama administration saved at least three million jobs, “.DUH…what’s this a preemptive goal post removal? :roll:

Now you come up with this lame ass question.”Did you subtract the dealerships that Obama put out of business and those employees?

I will standby my original statement, which was “the Obama administration saved at least three million jobs “ and I will let you bend yourself into a pretzel explaining how dealerships of "American Branded Automobiles" would not have been shut down by not making the loans to Chrysler and GM.

Also WTF does this statement that you posted have to do what we were discussing?” Did you figure out how many of those saved jobs were state jobs which are state, not federal taxpayer responsibilities? “

I await your next convoluted string of ad homs and non sequiturs.:lol:
 
treedancer said:
Whatta ****en joke you are. You state this in post #716 “GM doesn't employ three million people “in response to this statement I made to dickeyboy “the Obama administration saved at least three million jobs, “.DUH…what’s this a preemptive goal post removal? :roll:

Now you come up with this lame ass question.”Did you subtract the dealerships that Obama put out of business and those employees?

I will standby my original statement, which was “the Obama administration saved at least three million jobs “ and I will let you bend yourself into a pretzel explaining how dealerships of "American Branded Automobiles" would not have been shut down by not making the loans to Chrysler and GM.

Also WTF does this statement that you posted have to do what we were discussing?” Did you figure out how many of those saved jobs were state jobs which are state, not federal taxpayer responsibilities? “

I await your next convoluted string of ad homs and non sequiturs.:lol:
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If you stand by it then you should be able to provide a list of those saved jobs, I await that list. Your ability to be brainwashed by an ideology is quite telling.
 
Conservative said:
That is typical and what I expect from someone who has been looking for something to cheer about for the last three years. As usual you pick out a stat and ignore the total content. Apparently since January 2009 there has been no population and no labor force growth. The Obama results speak for themselves but i continue to be amazed at how someone who works for the state govt. has no problem giving more power to the Federal govt. Guess that is the way you delegate responsibility as well as blame for your poor results.

Obama today has a net job loss
Obama today has a declining labor force
Obama today has fewer people employed than when he took office
Obama today has almost a million discouraged workers which he has averaged over the past three years
Obama today has a U-6 unemployment of 15.2% or 24 million unemployed/under employed Americans
Obama today has add 154395
ed 4.6 trillion dollars to the debt in 3 years
Obama today spent over 842 billion in a stimulus plan that failed
Obama today has a higher misery index than when he took office
Obama today has participated in crony capitalism and wasted billions of taxpayer dollars trying to pick winners in the private sector
Obama today has promoted class warfare and demonized individual wealth creation
Obama today has seen record numbers in poverty and record numbers of people on food stamps
Obama today still claims he brought this country back from the brink of financial collapse when TARP did that and it was Bush's legislation
Obama today claims he saved the auto industry by taking over GM/Chrysler ignoring that Ford took no bailout money nor did any other Auto Manufacturer. Taxpayer losses will be in the billions
Obama today has wasted the repayment of TARP and never used the money to pay down the deficit
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So what? The one term Marxist president Barack Hussein Obama has done more for the Communist Chinese than all previous presidents combined. That has to count for something.

He has managed to drive one of our closest long term allies, the Canadians, into the arms of the waiting communist Chinese.
That has to count for something.

What did you think fundamental change meant? Of course he hates America. So?
 
Conservative said:
If you stand by it then you should be able to provide a list of those saved jobs, I await that list. Your ability to be brainwashed by an ideology is quite telling.
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What’s in it for me? What say you if I point you towards a study that shows that the auto industry supports one of every 10 jobs in the United States? Of course that would include Ford, which is not a part of the loan but, when you consider that number is 14 million jobs, and I only have to prove 3 million…well, I’ll leave it at that. Do we have a deal? And tree scrambles off looking for some weird ass sig for the OM.:mrgreen:
 
Misterveritis said:
So what? The one term Marxist president Barack Hussein Obama has done more for the Communist Chinese than all previous presidents combined. That has to count for something.
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You forgot to throw in that he's also a Moslem and a dictator. :roll:
 
treedancer said:
What’s in it for me? What say you if I point you towards a study that shows that the auto industry supports one of every 10 jobs in the United States? Of course that would include Ford, which is not a part of the loan but, when you consider that number is 14 million jobs, and I only have to prove 3 million…well, I’ll leave it at that. Do we have a deal? And tree scrambles off looking for some weird ass sig for the OM.:mrgreen:
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I hate to break it to you but GM/Chrysler AREN'T the Auto Industry, they are PART OF the auto industry and if you think they were going to go totally out fo business you are nuts. Someone would have taken over and provided parts for all those GM/Chrysler cars on the road. Like all liberals you have no concept of how our economy works and GM/Chrysler should have been allowed to fail just like any other business. You want badly to believe what you are told and fail to think of the costs associated with those bailout vs any perceived benefit. In addition to also ignore that Chrysler is not owned by the Italians. Keep buying the rhetoric.
 
Conservative said:
I hate to break it to you but GM/Chrysler AREN'T the Auto Industry, they are PART OF the auto industry and if you think they were going to go totally out fo business you are nuts. Someone would have taken over and provided parts for all those GM/Chrysler cars on the road. Like all liberals you have no concept of how our economy works and GM/Chrysler should have been allowed to fail just like any other business. You want badly to believe what you are told and fail to think of the costs associated with those bailout vs any perceived benefit. In addition to also ignore that Chrysler is not owned by the Italians. Keep buying the rhetoric.
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I guess this is your way of saying that you don’t want to bet eh?:(
 
Conservative said:
I hate to break it to you but GM/Chrysler AREN'T the Auto Industry, they are PART OF the auto industry and if you think they were going to go totally out fo business you are nuts. Someone would have taken over and provided parts for all those GM/Chrysler cars on the road. Like all liberals you have no concept of how our economy works and GM/Chrysler should have been allowed to fail just like any other business. You want badly to believe what you are told and fail to think of the costs associated with those bailout vs any perceived benefit. In addition to also ignore that Chrysler is not owned by the Italians. Keep buying the rhetoric.
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No one who knows the first thing about the subject thinks that GM or Chrysler could have been saved without the government's involvement. I can understand how you might argue that they should have been allowed to fail, but spare us the childish fantasy that they would not have disappeared but for the bailout.
 
AdamT said:
No one who knows the first thing about the subject thinks that GM or Chrysler could have been saved without the government's involvement. I can understand how you might argue that they should have been allowed to fail, but spare us the childish fantasy that they would not have disappeared but for the bailout.
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Adam, they would have filed bankruptcy reogranization. Unions would have been the ultimate loser in that case. He didnt step in to save the auto industry, he stepped in to save the UAW. They are much more who he views as supporters and constituents than the companies and management of same.

To say there is no way they could have been saved is not accurate, we have no way to be absolutely sure.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Adam, they would have filed bankruptcy reogranization. Unions would have been the ultimate loser in that case. He didnt step in to save the auto industry, he stepped in to save the UAW. They are much more who he views as supporters and constituents than the companies and management of same.

To say there is no way they could have been saved is not accurate, we have no way to be absolutely sure.
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Just as your not absolutely sure that "he stepped in to save the UAW "eh?
 
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