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US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

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Republic Now! said:
Fair enough. "Steadily" isn't the best term though. There have been times when spending decreased.



I know it's not. I'm just explaining why I make sure to point out it's democrats presently spending. So people don't come back later and say "Democrats are the pretty fiscal responsibility." Neither party has a good track record.




When did I say "all of it is the dems fault?" How many times do I have to say "Republicans spend too" before you admit I don't give a crap about the party but the problem not being solved? Republicans are not presently in a situation to solve the problem. The democrats are. When the Republicans are in that position again and they're not, you'll be seeing plenty of "republicans.." in my posts too. I don't know what more you want.


When did I deny that?
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Leadership is about taking responsibility not placing blame. When will Obama understand that?

CURL: The truly dismal state of the union - Washington Times

Reaganomics Vs. Obamanomics: Fallacies Offered By The Left - Forbes

President Obama likes to pretend that a third of his trillion dollar stimulus involved tax cuts too. But those “tax cuts” all involved temporary tax credits which are economically no different from increased government spending. Indeed, a majority of the Obama “tax cuts” were “refundable” income tax credits, which involve sending a government check to people who do not even pay income taxes, economically indistinguishable from increased government spending. That is why even the federal government’s own official beancounters account for such refundable credits in the federal budget as spending rather than tax cuts. Such tax credits do not have the incentive effects of rate cuts explained above
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Conservative said:
It is split and the deficit for fiscal year 2011 is down from 2010 and that s because of the Republican submitting lower continuing resolutions since there is no budget thanks to the Democrats refusal to pass one when they were in charge.
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Stop with the lies, Con.

Federal spending increased in 2011. That is not the reason the deficit fell.
 
Republic Now! said:
Fair enough. "Steadily" isn't the best term though. There have been times when spending decreased.
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I don't see any drops in this chart:

Federal Spending Is Growing Faster Than Federal Revenue

I know it's not. I'm just explaining why I make sure to point out it's democrats presently spending. So people don't come back later and say "Democrats are the pretty fiscal responsibility." Neither party has a good track record.
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Okay then.

When did I say "all of it is the dems fault?"
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In post 406 you said:

What I should say from now, and I urge everyone to, is the "Democrat majority Congress." Of course, the president has to approve all spending, so I guess you could say "The Democrat majority Congress and the President who while being a completely innocent party, stood to the side while this was occurring." Actually, standing to the side isn't exactly right either, since he has to actually sign the budget, so I guess we could say "The Democrat Congress and the President who while being a completely innocent party was forced by his peers to unwillingly put into place, something he completely disagrees with mind you, the..." And then you would say what it is. That way, we wouldn't have these confusions anymore.
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Republic Now! said:
Look between 2005 and 2010.
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And?

You should look at the revenue line between 2005 and 2010. That's what drops.

Still not seeing "it's all the dems fault."
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I clearly did. But if you are right now, right here saying "both parties are responsible for spending growth" then fine. Are you?
 
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misterman said:
And?
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It looks to decrease. It has the trend of going up, but it's not a steady increase. We should be probably drop this subject since it's not even relevant to the issue.


I clearly did. But if you are right now, right here saying "both parties are responsible for spending growth" then fine. Are you?
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Yes. I'm also saying that since there are people who act like everything is fine now with those in power, I'm going to constantly reinforce the fact that it's not, so, when people consider voting in the future, they'll at least consider a side besides the supposedly fiscally responsible democrats.
 
misterman said:
No, the rest of my post clearly proves you wrong. Which is why you won't face it. I dare you to address the points in it. You won't, because you can't handle that you're simply wrong.

Nobody knows what the 2011 deficit is yet, but it's estimated to be about the same as 2010 (EDIT: some sources say it's down, so maybe my source isn't the latest). And appropriations for 2011 were made in 2010 - when the Dems still had a majority in both houses. So that would blow away your whole argument anyway. But you won't man up and respond with substance. You'll dodge, like you just did now.
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I would have thought that someone clearly as intelligent as you think you are would know that fiscal year 2011 ended on September 30, 2011 so the 2011 deficit is indeed known. As for the rest of your post what you seem to forget is that the Democrats have operated on continuing resolutions for most of the time they have been in power, rejected the Ryan Budget, and have no interest in implementing the many bills that the Republican House has submitted to the Senate. That way they can run against a do nothing Congress as they call it and people like you buy the rhetoric. Amazing how you now take credit for that do nothing Congress by supporting the thread topic and telling us how much things are getting better.

Deficit reporting

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/NPGateway
 
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misterman said:
So let me ask YOU about Bush now. :lol:
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This is how screwy the right is when it comes to logic and common sense ... When Bush started, the debt was growing at an annual rate of about 22 billion

1.20.2000: 5,706,174,969,874
1.19.2001: 5,727,776,738,305

Bush started with 22 billion and raised it to 1440 billion during his final year in office.

1.20.2008: 9,188,640,287,930
1.19.2009: 10,628,881,485,510

Over the course of this last year, the debt increased 1251 billion.

2.03.2011: 14,100,427,020,881
2.02.2012: 15,351,406,294,640

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

Bush increases the annual debt growth from 22 billion to 1440 billion ... Conservatives applaud Bush

Obama decreases the annual debt growth from 1440 billion to 1251 billion ... Conservatives think Obama is the antichrist.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
This is how screwy the right is when it comes to logic and common sense ... When Bush started, the debt was growing at an annual rate of about 22 billion

1.20.2000: 5,706,174,969,874
1.19.2001: 5,727,776,738,305

Bush started with 22 billion and raised it to 1440 billion during his final year in office.

1.20.2008: 9,188,640,287,930
1.19.2009: 10,628,881,485,510

Over the course of this last year, the debt increased 1251 billion.

2.03.2011: 14,100,427,020,881
2.02.2012: 15,351,406,294,640

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

Bush increases the annual debt growth from 22 billion to 1440 billion ... Conservatives applaud Bush

Obama decreases the annual debt growth from 1440 billion to 1251 billion ... Conservatives think Obama is the antichrist.
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Jan-09 Jan-12
Unemployment 12049 12754
Discouraged 734 1059
Private Sector Emp 133563 131900
Labor Force 154236 154395
Total Employment 142187 141637

Obama today has a net job loss
Obama today has a declining labor force
Obama today has fewer people employed than when he took office
Obama today has almost a million discouraged workers which he has averaged over the past three years
Obama today has a U-6 unemployment of 15.2% or 24 million unemployed/under employed Americans
Obama today has add 154395
ed 4.6 trillion dollars to the debt in 3 years
Obama today spent over 842 billion in a stimulus plan that failed
Obama today has a higher misery index than when he took office
Obama today has participated in crony capitalism and wasted billions of taxpayer dollars trying to pick winners in the private sector
Obama today has promoted class warfare and demonized individual wealth creation
Obama today has seen record numbers in poverty and record numbers of people on food stamps
Obama today still claims he brought this country back from the brink of financial collapse when TARP did that and it was Bush's legislation
Obama today claims he saved the auto industry by taking over GM/Chrysler ignoring that Ford took no bailout money nor did any other Auto Manufacturer. Taxpayer losses will be in the billions
Obama today has wasted the repayment of TARP and never used the money to pay down the deficit
 
Republic Now! said:
It looks to decrease. It has the trend of going up, but it's not a steady increase. We should be probably drop this subject since it's not even relevant to the issue.
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Okay, but I don't see an decreases, just slower increases.

Yes. I'm also saying that since there are people who act like everything is fine now with those in power, I'm going to constantly reinforce the fact that it's not, so, when people consider voting in the future, they'll at least consider a side besides the supposedly fiscally responsible democrats.
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And I'll say the exact same thing about the supposedly fiscally responsible Republicans, and now we're even.
 
Conservative said:
I would have thought that someone clearly as intelligent as you think you are would know that fiscal year 2011 ended on September 30, 2011 so the 2011 deficit is indeed known.
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I know, but the first reports are estimates, since accounting for the largest budget in probably the entire world takes time.

As for the rest of your post
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I DARE you to respond to it point by point. Do you accept the challenge, or will you run away?

Here are the points I made:

The "budget" is irrelevant. A budget is completely unnecessary to pass appropriations. It has nothing to do with the need for a continuing resolution.
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And the final appropriation wasn't a continuing resolution - which simply extends the prior year's spending - it was an appropriation, one that simply encompassed several normal appropriations bills into one.
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And Congress passes a budget resolution in the CURRENT year, so what Dems did in a prior year is irrelevant.
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Go ahead.
 
So have the liberal Democrats thanked Republicans for creating all these jobs?
 
Conservative said:
Jan-09 Jan-12
Unemployment 12049 12754
Discouraged 734 1059
Private Sector Emp 133563 131900
Labor Force 154236 154395
Total Employment 142187 141637

Obama today has a net job loss
Obama today has a declining labor force
Obama today has fewer people employed than when he took office
Obama today has almost a million discouraged workers which he has averaged over the past three years
Obama today has a U-6 unemployment of 15.2% or 24 million unemployed/under employed Americans
Obama today has add 154395
ed 4.6 trillion dollars to the debt in 3 years
Obama today spent over 842 billion in a stimulus plan that failed
Obama today has a higher misery index than when he took office
Obama today has participated in crony capitalism and wasted billions of taxpayer dollars trying to pick winners in the private sector
Obama today has promoted class warfare and demonized individual wealth creation
Obama today has seen record numbers in poverty and record numbers of people on food stamps
Obama today still claims he brought this country back from the brink of financial collapse when TARP did that and it was Bush's legislation
Obama today claims he saved the auto industry by taking over GM/Chrysler ignoring that Ford took no bailout money nor did any other Auto Manufacturer. Taxpayer losses will be in the billions
Obama today has wasted the repayment of TARP and never used the money to pay down the deficit
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Your robospam doesn't even ding my post.
 
misterman said:
I know, but the first reports are estimates, since accounting for the largest budget in probably the entire world takes time.



I DARE you to respond to it point by point. Do you accept the challenge, or will you run away?

Here are the points I made:







Go ahead.
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I will be running away as I have no interest in discussing anything with you. Your far superior self proclaimed intelligence makes any discussion impossible and none of what you posted has anything to do with the thread topic.
 
Harshaw said:
Sure. I post the paragraph in full which showed what the paragraph actually said, and you choose to repeat your lie. [...]
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LOL... I think you know what the paragraph says, but I think you're intentionally feigning ignorance in order to cover your mistake -- which is only compounded by your tactic of trying to bait me with insults. Herewith are the two versions for everyone to review, after which I'll drop it:

Karl said:
[...] Your source claims: "Revenues are projected to rise from 18.6 percent of GDP this year to almost 20 percent of GDP in 2012 and then remain near that historically high level through 2017. Much of that increase results from [the Bush tax cuts] which are scheduled to expire by December 31, 2010." (also PDF page 13). [...]
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Harshaw said:
[...] Funny, THIS is what that paragraph says:
Revenues are projected to rise from 18.6 percent of GDP this year to almost 20 percent of GDP in 2012 and then remain near that historically high level through 2017. Much of that increase results from two aspects of current law that have been subject to recent policy changes: the growing impact of the alternative minimum tax (AMT) and, even more significantly, various provisions originally enacted in the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (EGTRRA) and the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 (JGTRRA) and modified by subsequent legislation, which are scheduled to expire by December 31, 2010.
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Which is a damn sight different than you present it.
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I have highlighted the quote in your post to illustrate my paraphrasing as well as the reasoning thereof. Please explain to everyone
a) the lie that you claim exists between these two versions, and
b) how it has any material effect on the fact that the CBO projection you trotted out is based upon the Bush Tax Cuts expiring at the end of 2010 (despite your prior claim to the contrary).
 
Conservative said:
you are so right nothing I posted has anything to do with job creation or the obama record?
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It has nothing to do with what I posted.

That remains to be the case.

I'm not even sure why you posted it in response to what I posted since it was nothing but a robospam non-sequitur.

But I suppose, that's what you do. It's who you are. :shrug:
 
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Karl said:
LOL... I think you know what the paragraph says, but I think you're intentionally feigning ignorance in order to cover your mistake -- which is only compounded by your tactic of trying to bait me with insults. Herewith are the two versions for everyone to review, after which I'll drop it:
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I do know what it says, and there, in English words, in black and white, are the parts you ignored and snipped to get the part you think you like, and make it appear it's the only thing the paragraph referred to.

Just like you did with the sentence about funding the war.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
It has nothing to do with what I posted.

That remains to be the case.

I'm not even sure why you posted it in response to what I posted since it was nothing but a robospam non-sequitur.

But I suppose, that's what you do. It's who you are. :shrug:
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nothing you posted has anything to do with the thread topic but does show you have a continual case of BDS
 
Harshaw said:
I do know what it says, and there, in English words, in black and white, are the parts you ignored and snipped to get the part you think you like, and make it appear it's the only thing the paragraph referred to. [...]
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1. Based upon a reading and understanding of the entire paragraph, do you think that the "alternative minimum tax (AMT)" is significant?

2. Do you know what the "Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (EGTRRA) and the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 (JGTRRA)" are colloquially known as ?
 
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Conservative said:
nothing you posted has anything to do with the thread topic but does show you have a continual case of BDS
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Perhaps what I posted is not relevant to the thread but at least it was relevant to the post I was responding to -- something you can't claim as your post had nothing to do with what I posted. It was just your typical robospam which you post every time you realize you can't refute what someone else says.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Perhaps what I posted is not relevant to the thread but at least it was relevant to the post I was responding to -- something you can't claim as your post had nothing to do with what I posted. It was just your typical robospam which you post every time you realize you can't refute what someone else says.
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You are so correct, showing that Obama has a net job loss, net employment loss, rising discouraged workers, a higher unemployment rate has absolutely nothing to do with employment or unemployment which of course IS related to the Thread Topic. Amazing how facts get in the way of your own opinions
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Perhaps what I posted is not relevant to the thread but at least it was relevant to the post I was responding to -- something you can't claim as your post had nothing to do with what I posted. It was just your typical robospam which you post every time you realize you can't refute what someone else says.

Conservative said:
You are so correct, showing that Obama has a net job loss, net employment loss, rising discouraged workers, a higher unemployment rate has absolutely nothing to do with employment or unemployment which of course IS related to the Thread Topic. Amazing how facts get in the way of your own opinions
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Exactly how reading impaired are you, Con? I said your post had nothing to do with what I posted.
 
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