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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    It's a false dichotomy.

    But let's break up your loaded false dichotomy of a question.



    No, but emergency rooms will still exist under any model, and people would still go there a lot, and not pay the full cost of their visit. And another thing, it's not just ER care. That's just step one. The same uninsured people get critical care, general medical care, psychiatric care.... anywhere in the hospital. The ER is just where they go first. What we're talking about here is hospital care.



    Only to the degree that people who can afford health insurance opt not to buy it. Requiring people to buy something they can't afford doesn't help me and it certainly doesn't help them. And the mandate doesn't change the number of people needing expensive health care and it doesn't make the health care any less expensive. It just delays an insurance death spiral.



    Some people should go home and die, even if they have insurance. It would be better for them and their families. Keeping all sorts of dying people on life support in a critical care unit for tens of thousands of dollars per day (that they're not paying) until the family can finally come to grips with the fact that the loved one's time has come is an unaffordable and irrational way to approach death. Do you know how much we (as a nation) spend on end-of-life comfort care and Hail Mary desperation attempts to prolong life?



    My preference is not reflected in your false dichotomy.
    then by all means, what would be your preference? you seem to find it easy to criticize, how would you handle the situation? offer a plan....

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    It's a false dichotomy.

    But let's break up your loaded false dichotomy of a question.



    No, but emergency rooms will still exist under any model, and people would still go there a lot, and not pay the full cost of their visit. And another thing, it's not just ER care. That's just step one. The same uninsured people get critical care, general medical care, psychiatric care.... anywhere in the hospital. The ER is just where they go first. What we're talking about here is hospital care.
    Not true. If ERs were not forced to accept patients regardless of their ability to pay (thanks to a law signed by Reagan), they would not accept patients who couldn't pay. That's why Reagan signed the bill into law.


    Only to the degree that people who can afford health insurance opt not to buy it. Requiring people to buy something they can't afford doesn't help me and it certainly doesn't help them. And the mandate doesn't change the number of people needing expensive health care and it doesn't make the health care any less expensive. It just delays an insurance death spiral.
    The HCAA does not require people who can't afford insurance to buy insurance. It requires people to pay according to their ability to pay.


    Some people should go home and die, even if they have insurance. It would be better for them and their families. Keeping all sorts of dying people on life support in a critical care unit for tens of thousands of dollars per day (that they're not paying) until the family can finally come to grips with the fact that the loved one's time has come is an unaffordable and irrational way to approach death. Do you know how much we (as a nation) spend on end-of-life comfort care and Hail Mary desperation attempts to prolong life?
    That's a weak dodge. What about people who could be treated successfully if they had insurance? Should they be put on the street to die if they can't afford to pay?

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I prefer that the insurance industry be reigned in on passing costs along to other paying members, ie: hospital emergency room costs skyrocketing due to lack of actual paying people, therefore an asprin cost you $10.

    Insurance is a scam. IF people were able to actually control what they pay for services through say HSA's cost would plumet.

    But this thread is about the fake jobs numbers, and how Obama is touting 240K jobs as a success....Can we stay on topic?


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    perhaps you should talk to your buddy conservative, since he brought it up......

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    perhaps you should talk to your buddy conservative, since he brought it up......

    Jobs, man Jobs...Got anything, anything at all? Randel?...Randel?....Bueler?



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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Jobs, man Jobs...Got anything, anything at all? Randel?...Randel?....Bueler?



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    again, read for comprehension, your boy con brought it up...don't like the topic, either go jump his ass, or don't post here, simple as....

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Jobs, man Jobs...Got anything, anything at all? Randel?...Randel?....Bueler?



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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    again, read for comprehension, your boy con brought it up...don't like the topic, either go jump his ass, or don't post here, simple as....
    Boy you libs are sure intent on telling people what to do today....Here is one for ya....Why don't you get back on topic? Here I'll help you out, seeing as that I know that it would be hard for you...

    The US economy created 243,000 jobs in December, marking the seventh month in a row of gains, official figures show.

    The rise was much more than expected. Analysts had forecast an increase of about 150,000 jobs.
    The unemployment rate dropped to 8.3%, which was the lowest rate in nearly three years, down from a revised 8.5% in December.
    Employers have added an average of 201,000 jobs per month in the past three months.

    BBC News - US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    There is the opening article for you...Now, what are your thoughts, Or YOU don't have to participate.


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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post

    Nah, I have a good job brother. I don't need to go on the road for a month at a time anymore.


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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, that was not the question. To reiterate, the question was: if you think health care is 100% a question of personal responsibility, why do you think state governments should legislate on health care?
    Yes, i believe healthcare is 100% personal responsibility. if the state residents want to support a universal healthcare program in their state then that is within their rights, no such rights exist for a one size fits all Federal Program

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Boy you libs are sure intent on telling people what to do today....Here is one for ya....Why don't you get back on topic? Here I'll help you out, seeing as that I know that it would be hard for you...




    There is the opening article for you...Now, what are your thoughts, Or YOU don't have to participate.


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    i'll say this real slow for you........go talk to your boy conservative......

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