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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Most states aren't involved but the citizens of the state are the ones that pay for the ER services of the uninsured, not the people of your state
    do you find that paying for emergency room visits by uninsured persons to be a good use for your tax dollars? would it benefit you (save you money, save tax dollars) if persons were required to have insurance? or, would you prefer those who have no insurance to just go home and die, or die in the streets? either way, it is going to cost something....which is your preference?

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Yes, it is. But they share the country.

    Equally?


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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    do you find that paying for emergency room visits by uninsured persons to be a good use for your tax dollars? would it benefit you (save you money, save tax dollars) if persons were required to have insurance? or, would you prefer those who have no insurance to just go home and die, or die in the streets? either way, it is going to cost something....which is your preference?

    False choice. *buzzer* fallacy. Try again.


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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    False choice. *buzzer* fallacy. Try again.


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    Not a false choice. Don't be a chicken -- answer the question.

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    False choice. *buzzer* fallacy. Try again.


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    answer the question...if you can

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Those graphs explain the cause of the deficit, which is what caused the debt to grow.

    I thought your post was about the debt? If it wasn't about the debt, what was it about?
    Your graphs show Bush debt from 2001 - 2009. I am talking about the debt that has accumulated since 2009 when Obama took office.

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That wasn't my question. Why aren't you arguing for the repeal of the law that Reagan signed, mandating that emergency rooms must care for anyone who comes in the door regardless of their ability to pay?
    The question is, are Federal Mandates for healthcare legal and why do you support them?

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    answer the question...if you can
    It's a false dichotomy.

    But let's break up your loaded false dichotomy of a question.

    do you find that paying for emergency room visits by uninsured persons to be a good use for your tax dollars?
    No, but emergency rooms will still exist under any model, and people would still go there a lot, and not pay the full cost of their visit. And another thing, it's not just ER care. That's just step one. The same uninsured people get critical care, general medical care, psychiatric care.... anywhere in the hospital. The ER is just where they go first. What we're talking about here is hospital care.

    would it benefit you (save you money, save tax dollars) if persons were required to have insurance?
    Only to the degree that people who can afford health insurance opt not to buy it. Requiring people to buy something they can't afford doesn't help me and it certainly doesn't help them. And the mandate doesn't change the number of people needing expensive health care and it doesn't make the health care any less expensive. It just delays an insurance death spiral.

    or, would you prefer those who have no insurance to just go home and die, or die in the streets?
    Some people should go home and die, even if they have insurance. It would be better for them and their families. Keeping all sorts of dying people on life support in a critical care unit for tens of thousands of dollars per day (that they're not paying) until the family can finally come to grips with the fact that the loved one's time has come is an unaffordable and irrational way to approach death. Do you know how much we (as a nation) spend on end-of-life comfort care and Hail Mary desperation attempts to prolong life?

    either way, it is going to cost something....which is your preference?
    My preference is not reflected in your false dichotomy.

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The question is, are Federal Mandates for healthcare legal and why do you support them?
    No, that was not the question. To reiterate, the question was: if you think health care is 100% a question of personal responsibility, why do you think state governments should legislate on health care?

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    answer the question...if you can

    I prefer that the insurance industry be reigned in on passing costs along to other paying members, ie: hospital emergency room costs skyrocketing due to lack of actual paying people, therefore an asprin cost you $10.

    Insurance is a scam. IF people were able to actually control what they pay for services through say HSA's cost would plumet.

    But this thread is about the fake jobs numbers, and how Obama is touting 240K jobs as a success....Can we stay on topic?


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