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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    I was just trying to understand why he thought Obama made a $5 trilllion "investment" simply because the debt has increased almost that much since Obama became president. In reality, Obama is far less responsible for that $5 trillion in debt than he deludes himself into believing...



    Adding to the deficit: Bush vs. Obama - The Washington Post
    Great post.

    When you peal away the layers of rhetoric, we can see that conventional wisdom (Dems spend more than GOP) is crap.

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post

    It is a bit hard to take that statement seriously, but I will give it a go. What policies, specifically, of Bush are leading to the $100 billion in debt we will roll up this month? And what part of this years trillion dollar deficit as well as next years trillion dollar deficit, and the trillion dollar deficits Obama forecasts for the nest ten years are Bushs fault as well? And if Obama cant do anything about it, why not elect someone who will?

    It strikes me that you want to give Obama credit for the good things happening in the economy while blaming everything bad on someone else. That is a bit dishonest. No?
    The affects from his recession are still being felt. If not for that recession, employment would be higher than it is today as well as tax revenues would be higher; which translates into lower deficits. Also, had Bush and Republicans not wrecked our economy, there would have been no need for Obama to spend close to a trillion dollars on stimulus.

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    I was just trying to understand why he thought Obama made a $5 trilllion "investment" simply because the debt has increased almost that much since Obama became president. In reality, Obama is far less responsible for that $5 trillion in debt than he deludes himself into believing...



    Adding to the deficit: Bush vs. Obama - The Washington Post
    Nice edit.
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Your graphs have nothing to do with my post.

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    No, you have it wrong. Learn to read.
    learn to read? LOL, suggest you do a better job of explaining your position. Labor force for the past few years is below showing the labor force in December was 153.9 million and in January 2012 it is 154.4 million. Looks like 500,000 increase to me in a country with a growing population and yet a labor force that isn't keeping up. Dropping out of the labor force makes the Obama numbers look better than they are

    2007 153133 152966 153054 152446 152666 153038 153035 152756 153422 153209 153845 153936
    2008 154060 153624 153924 153779 154322 154315 154432 154656 154613 154953 154621 154669
    2009 154185 154424 154100 154453 154805 154754 154457 154362 153940 154022 153795 153172
    2010 153353 153558 153895 154520 154237 153684 153628 154117 154124 153960 153950 153690
    2011 153186 153246 153406 153421 153693 153421 153228 153594 154017 154198 153883 153887
    Jan-12 154395

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    That's very strange, the economy was losing private sector jobs at the ungodly rate of about 750K/month at the end of President Bush's term in office, but those results don't seem to bother you. Why is that, Con? It seems to me you are putting your politics before the truth.

    BTW, when you were supposedly a Democrat, they were far more to the left than they are today. So I suspect, you were not into politics back them, you were a Democrat because of family. I was in the same situation only I was a Republican back then.
    You keep saying that but the difference is instead of the 750K loss the people dropped out of the labor force and are no longer counted. The numbers are basically the same. Bush never had 1 trillion in discouraged workers at any time during his term. Those discouraged workers aren't counted as unemployed

    Instead of blaming Bush suggest you focus on the Obama record. Do you believe it is the Federal Government's responsibility to mandate that individuals buy health insurance? Do you believe it appropriate for the Federal Govt. to demand the people paying FIT pay more while 47% of all income earning households aren't paying any FIT. Do you believe it is the Federal Government's role to mandate that religious organizations violate their teachings? Where does the role of the Federal Govt. stop in your world/

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    No, that is opinion. Yours, and those that pollsters collected with their weighted participation, and skewed push polls designed to run cover for Obama.
    No, that is not my opinion. The economy really was in the toilet when Obama took over. If you think there was a president other than Hoover who handed his succerror a worse economy, name him.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    That is possible, but then let me ask you, does spending originate in congress? Or the office of the Presidency?
    Both are responsible for spending. Except for Congressional overrides of presidential vetoes, the president approves of the Congress' spending.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    Wow! A whole 54%? Why that is an entire 4% over majority...And what of the 46% that disagree? They don't matter? All I can say is thank God we don't live in a pure democracy.
    54% is a majority even beyond the margin of error to state otherwise; which enables me to confidently say "most people." Deal with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    I don't believe polls have much weight other than making partisan political arguments. Other than that they are often wrong at truly gauging final outcomes in anything other than opinion driven drivel.
    Well fortunately for me, my positions are not dependant upon your beliefs. Still, most people still blame Bush for the current state of our economy and by a factor of close to 2 to 1, they blame Bush more than Obama. If you have evidence to the contrary, feel free to post it.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    You expect to win anything other than contempt when you use such tactics?
    This is a political forum, and a highly charged partisan one at that. I don't expect to win anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    I wasn't aware that you were the arbitor of who can participate and who can't? Nah, I think I will continue to post what ever I wish, thank you, as for your pronouncment, well, you know what weight that has....Nothing.
    Perhaps English isn't your first language? I never said who can or cannot participate and I certainly never said you can't or even that you shouldn't.

    You're the one calling this debate over polls, "mental masturbation," while inferring that debating it now is meaningless.

    I didn't tell you not to post here -- I pointed out that if you find this debate so meaningless, you are under no obligation to participate in it.

    I can't say I fully understand how I can say, "You're certainly welcome not to participate if you feel that strongly that none of this conversation matters," yet somehow, your brain translates that into you thinking I'm trying to arbitrate who can and cannot participate

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    I was just trying to understand why he thought Obama made a $5 trilllion "investment" simply because the debt has increased almost that much since Obama became president. In reality, Obama is far less responsible for that $5 trillion in debt than he deludes himself into believing...



    Adding to the deficit: Bush vs. Obama - The Washington Post
    Hard to take anyone serious who believes that a person keeping more of their own money is an expense to the Federal Govt

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post

    Your graphs have nothing to do with my post.
    Those graphs explain the cause of the deficit, which is what caused the debt to grow.

    I thought your post was about the debt? If it wasn't about the debt, what was it about?

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    The affects from his recession are still being felt. If not for that recession, employment would be higher than it is today as well as tax revenues would be higher; which translates into lower deficits. Also, had Bush and Republicans not wrecked our economy, there would have been no need for Obama to spend close to a trillion dollars on stimulus.
    All this blame and never accepting responsibility. You believe it is the Federal Government's role to mandate that individuals buy healthcare or any other service? Do you believe it is the role of the Federal Govt. to force people into paying for other's individual social services? Do you believe it is the Federal Government's role to mandate that Churches violate their teachings? Do you believe it is the role of a bureaucrat to take from one group of people and give it to another? Where does the role of the govt. stop in your world/
    Last edited by Conservative; 02-12-12 at 01:58 PM.

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