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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Results matter, Jet, regardless of the ideology. I have been a conservative for as long as I can remember starting out as a conservative Democrat but when the party left me, i became more aligned with the Republican Party although I have voted for a lot of conservative Democrats at the state and local levels. You seem to not really understand the conservative concept and you obviously ignore the failures of liberalism. Too many liberals continue to make excuses for the failures of Obama. Doubt seriously that they would give a conservative a pass if a conservative generated the numbers obama has generated three years after taking office.
    That's very strange, the economy was losing private sector jobs at the ungodly rate of about 750K/month at the end of President Bush's term in office, but those results don't seem to bother you. Why is that, Con? It seems to me you are putting your politics before the truth.

    BTW, when you were supposedly a Democrat, they were far more to the left than they are today. So I suspect, you were not into politics back them, you were a Democrat because of family. I was in the same situation only I was a Republican back then.


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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Or we can blame the results of that poll on reality.
    So, everyone that doesn't see things the way you do, is just being unrealistic?

    That reality being that George Bush left the economy in the worst condition any president left an economy for their successor with the one exception of Herbert Hoover.
    But I thought you argued that Presidents don't control economies? Or is that just for Obama?

    Most people recognize that as the reason we are where we are.
    Most people? You know 'most people' do you? Or is that to say most people that think like you do? Either way it is a fallacy to use this type of argument on your part.

    As far as the unemployment rate, it's, not much higher than it was when Obama started and the trend is that it's dropping.
    Even the CBO doesn't believe the numbers coming out of this administration anymore. They place the real unemployment rate around 11%, and I don't even think that is correct. It is much higher. As for your 'trend' at the rate Obama is touting as a 'trend' it will take decades to just get back to where we were.

    If the rate drops below the 7.8% it was when he started, Obama wins the election easily.
    What you should say is that if the sheeple out there buy the MSM propaganda in this election year, and allow themselves to be enticed by administration buy off's for their vote, then Obama would win...I myself hope that we are smarter than that.

    As far as a "winning strategy," even with conditions as they are and Obama blaming Bush, he still leads every GOP rival.
    The only 'poll' that really matters is in November this year. Anything else is chest thumping, guessing, and mental masturbation. So spare me please.

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    Care to guess what was it before the Democrats became the majority in both House & Senate in '06?
    The Republicans had the majority in the House from Jan 1995 until Jan 2007.


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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    The debt hit 10 trillion in October of 2008. One month before Obama was elected. It is now $15.3 trillion. Thats $5 trillion in Obama debt. Give or take.
    Ah, now I see what you're getting at. I was thrown off because the "investment" made into saving our economy was less than a trillion while the rest of the debt is attributable largely to the policies of Bush and Republicans which led to the worst economy in almost 80 years.

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    oh? And what $5 trillion investment would that be?
    Playing that pretty coyly aren't you?
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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The official definition certainly hasn't changed but the method to count the numbers have which you conveniently ignore. What were the number of discouraged workers during the Reagan years and show me the chart that shows those numbers? Results aren't opinions interpretation of those results could be. You and other obama supporters want to give him a pass for the results generated three years after taking office. That is what liberals always seem to do, pass off blame and never accepting responsibility. Why is that? How is this Administration benefiting you or the country economically? What numbers have I posted that are false?

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    "The official definition certainly hasn't changed but the method to count the numbers have which you conveniently ignore. "
    While ignoring the people being counted.The method of counting doesn’t change the demographic and statistical issues, which are, an aging population; currently its 42, in 1982 it was 35.Then you ignore, that the in 80’s,the "CPS" covered 93.0 percent of the population, while currently the "CPS" covers 89.7 percent of the population. Ever hear of the term garbage in garbage out? This is a classic case of it.It seems that your following "Karl’s" playbook by the numbers…which conservatives always do,(must be genetic) and ignore facts.
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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, everyone that doesn't see things the way you do, is just being unrealistic?
    Except that's not what I said. I said the reality is that George Bush left Obama an economy worst economy any president left except for Hoover. That is reality. And I'm suggesting that the poll results reflect that which is why people still blame Bush for today's economy by close to a 2 to 1 margin.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But I thought you argued that Presidents don't control economies? Or is that just for Obama?
    Think again. It seems you have me confused with someone else who might have said that.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Most people? You know 'most people' do you? Or is that to say most people that think like you do? Either way it is a fallacy to use this type of argument on your part.
    "Most people" as in 54% of those polled blame Bush for today's economy. 54% qualifies as a mojority, or "most people." Capiche? The fallacy in your argument is that it's backwards. I'm not saying most people thnk like me .... I'm saying I'm thinking same thing most people are thinking.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Even the CBO doesn't believe the numbers coming out of this administration anymore. They place the real unemployment rate around 11%, and I don't even think that is correct. It is much higher. As for your 'trend' at the rate Obama is touting as a 'trend' it will take decades to just get back to where we were.
    Hey, you can go with Gallup too, if you're not happy with the "official" numbers. Ain't no skin off of my back.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    What you should say is that if the sheeple out there buy the MSM propaganda in this election year, and allow themselves to be enticed by administration buy off's for their vote, then Obama would win...I myself hope that we are smarter than that.
    Translation: Please, please, please ... please forget that George Bush tanked the economy so it's still not fixed yet! We on the right don't want another 4 years of Obama if Americans still blame Bush, we might not get to elect one of the 4 clowns we are running now whom we don't even like.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    The only 'poll' that really matters is in November this year. Anything else is chest thumping, guessing, and mental masturbation. So spare me please.

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    This is a political debate forum. You're certainly welcome not to participate if you feel that strongly that none of this conversation matters.

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Ah, now I see what you're getting at. I was thrown off because the "investment" made into saving our economy was less than a trillion while the rest of the debt is attributable largely to the policies of Bush and Republicans which led to the worst economy in almost 80 years.
    It is a bit hard to take that statement seriously, but I will give it a go. What policies, specifically, of Bush are leading to the $100 billion in debt we will roll up this month? And what part of this years trillion dollar deficit as well as next years trillion dollar deficit, and the trillion dollar deficits Obama forecasts for the nest ten years are Bushs fault as well? And if Obama cant do anything about it, why not elect someone who will?

    It strikes me that you want to give Obama credit for the good things happening in the economy while blaming everything bad on someone else. That is a bit dishonest. No?

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Except that's not what I said. I said the reality is that George Bush left Obama an economy worst economy any president left except for Hoover. That is reality. And I'm suggesting that the poll results reflect that which is why people still blame Bush for today's economy by close to a 2 to 1 margin.

    No, that is opinion. Yours, and those that pollsters collected with their weighted participation, and skewed push polls designed to run cover for Obama.

    Think again. It seems you have me confused with someone else who might have said that.
    That is possible, but then let me ask you, does spending originate in congress? Or the office of the Presidency?

    "Most people" as in 54% of those polled blame Bush for today's economy. 54% qualifies as a mojority, or "most people." Capiche? The fallacy in your argument is that it's backwards. I'm not saying most people thnk like me .... I'm saying I'm thinking same thing most people are thinking.
    Wow! A whole 54%? Why that is an entire 4% over majority...And what of the 46% that disagree? They don't matter? All I can say is thank God we don't live in a pure democracy.

    Hey, you can go with Gallup too, if you're not happy with the "official" numbers. Ain't no skin off of my back.
    I don't believe polls have much weight other than making partisan political arguments. Other than that they are often wrong at truly gauging final outcomes in anything other than opinion driven drivel.

    Translation: Please, please, please ... please forget that George Bush tanked the economy so it's still not fixed yet! We on the right don't want another 4 years of Obama if Americans still blame Bush, we might not get to elect one of the 4 clowns we are running now whom we don't even like.
    You expect to win anything other than contempt when you use such tactics?

    This is a political debate forum. You're certainly welcome not to participate if you feel that strongly that none of this conversation matters.
    I wasn't aware that you were the arbitor of who can participate and who can't? Nah, I think I will continue to post what ever I wish, thank you, as for your pronouncment, well, you know what weight that has....Nothing.


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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post

    Playing that pretty coyly aren't you?
    I was just trying to understand why he thought Obama made a $5 trilllion "investment" simply because the debt has increased almost that much since Obama became president. In reality, Obama is far less responsible for that $5 trillion in debt than he deludes himself into believing...



    Adding to the deficit: Bush vs. Obama - The Washington Post

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