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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You're playing stupid quibble games. The auto industry is MUCH better off with the bailout than it would have been without it, and so is employment, and you just want to jump on every little word to play these semantic games to avoid admitting that fact. As usual. You're giving your client a vigorous defense, like any defense attorney, even if you have to look ridiculous in the process.
    Same goes for the financial industry. Thanks Bush!
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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is because the conservative slant works,
    That's a goofy circular argument.

    Which, now that I think about it, ought to be your screen name. "Goofy Circular Argument."

    I didn't support TARP or the bailout of GM/Chrysler.
    So you disagreed with Bush on something. Wow.

    I am for letting the markets work and they always have.
    That philosophy is what got us into this horrible mess that nearly brought our entire financial system to collapse - and would have if Bush hadn't done something. Letting the bank system collapse would have caused a deep, long depression, probably as bad as the Great Depression.

    Yes, there are going to be failures but trying to legislate equal outcome is always going to be a failure. Fail forward is always preferable to a govt. bailout
    No it's not. That's ridiculous.
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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    When and if you find someone who "railed" Bush for it but now praises Obama for it, be sure to let them know you don't appreciate the inconsistency.
    I have and I will...thanks

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    That's a goofy circular argument.

    Which, now that I think about it, ought to be your screen name. "Goofy Circular Argument."

    So you disagreed with Bush on something. Wow.



    That philosophy is what got us into this horrible mess that nearly brought our entire financial system to collapse - and would have if Bush hadn't done something. Letting the bank system collapse would have caused a deep, long depression, probably as bad as the Great Depression.



    No it's not. That's ridiculous.
    Spoken like that good 'little" liberal that you really are. You have no idea what would have happened had TARP not been passed just like you ignore the banks that were forced to take TARP money but weren't in bad shape, Chase and Wells Fargo for two, and the fact that most of TARP has been repaid and was repaid quickly in 2009 indicating that things weren't nearly as bad as you or other liberals want to claim. The philosophy of a liberal seems to be if you have regulations that aren't working or aren't being enforced create new ones so it seems like you are doing something. You and others like you buy the rhetoric

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Errr, what? Not that I agreed with it but didn't GWB propose and pass TARP? Weren't the initial auto 'bailouts' included in TARP? And, yes, I know BHO extended it. What I miss is that GWB got RAILED for passing it but now BHO is lavish in his praise for HIS efforts in the results.

    Once again an attempt at derailing a thread by Ricard Noggin.

    What’s your take on the point that I was making to conservative? The point being that the Obama administration saved at least three million jobs,while saving the American Auto Industry tied to said loans?

    I admit that tarp was started in the fall of 2008; where it was tied into knots that around the necks of the United Auto Workers Unions, for loans that weren’t required of the banks(Bank of America ,Well Fargo)insurance(AIG) etc al that created the recession. Sooo…I will admit, bush managed to kick the can down the road before he left office.
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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    Once again an attempt at derailing a thread by Ricard Noggin.

    What’s your take on the point that I was making to conservative? The point being that the Obama administration saved at least three million jobs,while saving the American Auto Industry tied to said loans?

    I admit that tarp was started in the fall of 2008; where it was tied into knots that around the necks of the United Auto Workers Unions, for loans that weren’t required of the banks(Bank of America ,Well Fargo)insurance(AIG) etc al that created the recession. Sooo…I will admit, bush managed to kick the can down the road before he left office.
    GM doesn't employ three million people but what Obama did was give money to the states so they could bailout union contracts without going to the people of the state to get the money. in other words it was nothing more than a union bailout and there is no proof that any jobs were saved by TARP that couldn't have been saved by the states themselves. Obama knew that the states wouldn't do it because those union jobs were on the line and if the states had to explain that to the electorate those unions would have been forced to take major cuts

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Spoken like that good 'little" liberal that you really are.
    No, actually, I'm not. But you can't resist blabbing that around because it's all you've got.

    You have no idea what would have happened had TARP not been passed
    And you do?
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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No, actually, I'm not. But you can't resist blabbing that around because it's all you've got.



    And you do?
    It would help if you were a little less caustic in your response and stop with the baiting. I do believe that i do know what would have happened without TARP, union contracts wouldn't have been bailed out, states would have had to come up with their own funding, some businesses would have failed and others would have taken them over and none of that would have been on the taxpayer dime. The fact that the largest banks were forced into TARP is quite telling

    Documents Reveal How Paulson Forced Banks To Take TARP Cash - Business Insider

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    Once again an attempt at derailing a thread by Ricard Noggin.

    What’s your take on the point that I was making to conservative? The point being that the Obama administration saved at least three million jobs,while saving the American Auto Industry tied to said loans?

    I admit that tarp was started in the fall of 2008; where it was tied into knots that around the necks of the United Auto Workers Unions, for loans that weren’t required of the banks(Bank of America ,Well Fargo)insurance(AIG) etc al that created the recession. Sooo…I will admit, bush managed to kick the can down the road before he left office.
    How was I trying to derail the thread?

    What does this mean 'where it was tied into knots that around the necks of the United Auto Workers Unions, '?

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It would help if you were a little less caustic in your response and stop with the baiting.
    Says the guy who CONSTANTLY baits, usually using the word "liberal."

    I do believe that i do know what would have happened without TARP,
    So how come you can know but I can't? You said I have no idea what would have happened. Neither do you.
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