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US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

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AdamT said:
That was epic. :2rofll:


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And nearly all of those quotes were since yesterday. :lamo
 
Amigo said:
I don't watch Fox at all, but I do listen to both Limbaugh and Beck in order to hear their opinion on the issues. However, I learned Obama's job numbers were false by myself.
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How come you refuse to answer ... ?


Amigo said:
That has to do with bush's spending, not Dodd-Frank. Again, you were wussified, so what ever you think is right, because if your wrong it would hurt your poor self esteem.

Sheik Yerbuti said:
What did Bush's spend have to do with? And what did Dodd and Frank do? You put this out there but now you're refusing to explain this incoherent rant.
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Amigo said:
So far, polls don't matter until we have a nominee.
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Suuuure they don't. I recall Conservatives bragging when Romney took a two point lead in one single poll. Since then, no Republican beats Obama in any poll and now "polls don't matter."

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Just watch ... even after the GOP narrows it down to one candidate and Obama still leads him, then the mantra will be, "the only poll that matters is the one in November." And then when Obama wins that poll too, it will be, "Obama voters are stupid."

You guys are as predictable as the sun setting.

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Amigo said:
So far, polls don't matter until we have a nominee.
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You are correct, however, that hasn't stopped many conservatives from touting poll results that show Obama getting beat by "X Candidate".

In addition, the polls won't matter until there is a Republican nominee AND a VP candidate as well. Even then, the only poll that is really going to matter is the one where people actually go vote for a candidate.
 
Amigo said:
I'm sorry, I never saw the question. Dodd-Frank put on too many regulations on businesses.
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How'd they do that? Until 2007, they were in the minority party. And what did Bush's spending have to do with it?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
My posts on the matter were neither deceiptful nor faulty. In countering the absurd claim that the Senate and House have access to the same intel as the president, I pointed out that access was limited to a select few, that the vast majority of Congress does not share that same level of clearance as the president.
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The Senate and the House DO have access to essentially the same intelligence as the President. The leadership on the intelligence communities have regular, enduring intelligence briefings. The leadership of both parties are briefed and may ask questions. If you did not know that before you know it now.
 
AdamT said:
First, everyone doesn't have clearance to get the full brief. Second, even those who did have clearance were fed selective and unreliable intelligence, courtesy of Bush's "novel" intelligence gathering system.
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An alternative view of stovepiping is a check on the quality of the intelligence provided by the community. When used properly it opens additional avenues for creative questions.

Your allegation is dopey.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
No matter how many times you repeat this nonsense, it will never be true. The vast majority of Congress did not have the same level of access as Bush. While they can ask all the questions they want, classified intel from the NIE could not be disseminated to them from the select members of the intelligence committees. Deal with it.
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Unfortunately members of Congress cannot be trusted.
 
AdamT said:
"In February 2007, the Pentagon's inspector general issued a report that concluded that Feith's office "developed, produced, and then disseminated alternative intelligence assessments on the Iraq and al Qaida relationship, which included some conclusions that were inconsistent with the consensus of the Intelligence Community, to senior decision-makers." The report found that these actions were "inappropriate" though not "illegal."
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That is a good assessment of the practice. It is an excellent way to get an alternative view. It is not intended to be the final answer. The guys in the community generally hate it. But so what? The goal is to give the decision-maker an alternative view. If the DM is any good he will use it to ask better questions of the pros.
 
treedancer said:
Romney wont be the nominee. It will be Santorum and aspirin birth control running. It will be clown show times two. :2wave:
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I am glad to hear it. I have supported him with money. If he wins the nomination, as you say he will, I will support him with money and time.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:


You guys are as predictable as the sun setting.
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If it turns out you are right and the one term Marxist becomes a two term Marxist the setting sun will be the sun setting on what remains of freedom and liberty.

I have a bad feeling about our future. Either way it may already be too late to escape the socialism we are already mired in.
 
Misterveritis said:
If it turns out you are right and the one term Marxist becomes a two term Marxist the setting sun will be the sun se,tting on what remains of freedom and liberty.

I have a bad feeling about our future. Either way it may already be too late to escape the socialism we are already mired in.
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Yeah Damn FDR and LBJ anyway.
 
Misterveritis said:
That is a good assessment of the practice. It is an excellent way to get an alternative view. It is not intended to be the final answer. The guys in the community generally hate it. But so what? The goal is to give the decision-maker an alternative view. If the DM is any good he will use it to ask better questions of the pros.
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It's a crappy way to get an "alternative view", because law makers have no idea how to judge the credibility of the information. In fact the whole point is to selectively feed them information that hasn't been vetted for reliability. The reason they did it was that the vetted information didn't support the policy they were pushing (war).
 
AdamT said:
It's a crappy way to get an "alternative view", because law makers have no idea how to judge the credibility of the information. In fact the whole point is to selectively feed them information that hasn't been vetted for reliability. The reason they did it was that the vetted information didn't support the policy they were pushing (war).
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How would the Congress receive that alternate view? It is the Intelligence Community that has the responsibility for informing the leadership of the House and the Senate. Who briefed them? Who responded to the questions those very powerful and wise Congress critters no doubt had?
 
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Misterveritis said:
How would the Congress receive that alternate view? It is the Intelligence Community that has the responsibility for informing the leadership of the House and the Senate. Who briefed them? Who responded to the questions those very powerful and wise Congress critter no doubt had?
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Liberals just don't think, they feel. What they don't want to understand is that if Bush lied they could have impeached him but didn't because they knew that their quotes would have been used against them. Liberals do what they always do, grab the issue and ignore the substance and facts. This is always about controling the issue, calling Bush a liar and yet never thinking about all the quotes from those same liberals.
 
AdamT said:
It's a crappy way to get an "alternative view", because law makers have no idea how to judge the credibility of the information. In fact the whole point is to selectively feed them information that hasn't been vetted for reliability. The reason they did it was that the vetted information didn't support the policy they were pushing (war).
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It is a good way to get an alternate view. From reading the various posts it appears that only senior members of the Administration were briefed. That is exactly as it should be.

Although I worked in the intelligence field for most of my Army 20 year career I was not connected to any agency that briefed the Congress or the President and his senior Administration staff.
 
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Misterveritis said:
If it turns out you are right and the one term Marxist becomes a two term Marxist the setting sun will be the sun setting on what remains of freedom and liberty.

I have a bad feeling about our future. Either way it may already be too late to escape the socialism we are already mired in.
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The Union survived eight years of Bush/Cheney (although the economy was a train wreck at the end).... but if it could survive that, its hard to believe that it would not survive eight years on any particular POTUS.
 
Misterveritis said:
How would the Congress receive that alternate view? It is the Intelligence Community that has the responsibility for informing the leadership of the House and the Senate. Who briefed them? Who responded to the questions those very powerful and wise Congress critters no doubt had?
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Correction, it WAS the intelligence community, until Bush sanctioned a hack political group that bypassed the intelligence community for the express purpose of disseminating unreliable information.
 
upsideguy said:
The Union survived eight years of Bush/Cheney (although the economy was a train wreck at the end).... but if it could survive that, its hard to believe that it would not survive eight years on any particular POTUS.
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Usually I am very optimistic. In this cased I believe we started out very near the tipping point. Today I believe we may be beyond it.
 
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