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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

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    [...] Read the thread, I never advocated that method for determining fiscal deficits. That was your buddy Karl.
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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

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    You have repeatedly failed to explain what was dishonest about it. Or what was materially incorrect about it. People who aren't lying can generally explain their claims.
    Dude.

    Anyone can compare how you edited it to what the paragraph actually says and see what you tried to do.

    Just like you did to the sentence about war funding.

    Oh, and by the way -- you put emphasis in my post that I did not, so that should be made clear. Ironically, though, it only makes it easier to detect how badly you mangled the paragraph when you edited it for your own purposes.

    So, really, until you get something new, I'm off the merry-go-round. Four spins is enough.
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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Ummm, even a grade school student could see I included the change in percentage points in that chart.
    Yes, that was my point but obviously I wasn't clear. Let me try to explain more clearly. Since I don’t know what the specific rates were relevant to your table I can only presume, which should be sufficient to clarify the point. If the UE rate was 4.16% under GWB and had a 1.5% increase (to 5.6%) that would be a 35% increase in unemployment but both 4.16% and 5.6% would be outstanding. Conversely if under BHO the UE IS 7.5% a change of .5% up (to 8.0%) would be an increase of 6.6% but both 7.5 and 8.0 would be crappy.

    See?

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw, replying to Karl View Post
    Dude. Anyone can compare how you edited it to what the paragraph actually says and see what you tried to do.
    Dude. That's like, admitting, that you can't, like, dude, explain what was wrong with it. Dude.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw, continuing View Post
    Oh, and by the way -- you put emphasis in my post that I did not, so that should be made clear.
    Hmmm... perhaps you can't read after all:

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl, in post #443, quoting and replying to Harshaw View Post
    [...] I have highlighted the quote in your post to illustrate my paraphrasing as well as the reasoning thereof. [...]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw, concluding View Post
    So, really, until you get something new, I'm off the merry-go-round. Four spins is enough.
    Since your claim of distortion on my part was false, therefore making it impossible for you to rationally explain it, I figured you'd give up sooner or later.

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    So what? Unemployment was still up ˝ a percentage point after 33 months in office. Same as Obama. And better than every other Republican president on record.

    And btw, you're off-topic!
    Let's face reality, U3 stats don't apply to these times. Bush and the Republicans toasted this economy and left it in free fall, when Obama took over. We're lucky we didn't get Great Depression II. Our economy is limping back, because Republican obstructionism is stopping the opportunities to fix it quickly. The Republicans know they screwed the economy up and how they did it, but that doesn't stop them from trying to blame others and telling others to learn how to take responsiblity. When you're totally dedicated to hypocisy, what choice do you have?

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    If Obama's results on unemployment are as bad as you say, what does that say about every other Republican president going back to Hoover since they all performed worse than Obama up until this point, except for Reagan, who has performed the same as the unemployment rate increased by ˝ a point during his first 36 months in office...

    Here's a list of presidents, along with the percentage of increase, or decrease, of the U3 unemployment rate after 36 months in office...



    Nixon +2.4 +71%
    Ford* +2.0 +36%
    GHW Bush +1.9 +35%
    Bush +1.5 +36%
    Eisenhower +1.1 +38%
    Reagan +0.5 +7%
    Obama +0.5 +6%
    Kennedy** -1.2 -14%
    Carter -1.2 -16%
    Clinton -1.7 -23%
    Johnson -2.1 -37%

    * = Ford was in office 29 months

    ** = Kennedy was in office 34 months


    Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
    Because Obama promised to bring Unemployment down quickly with all the tax money he was spending---IE his programs and monetary policy did not work as advertised and now we have a mountain of debt with the same economic conditions in terms of unemployment. Thats the problem. Obama isnt going to run on his record :P Hes going to run on a narrative about Romney. Its all going to be about framing and narratives.

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Yes, that was my point but obviously I wasn't clear. Let me try to explain more clearly. Since I don’t know what the specific rates were relevant to your table I can only presume, which should be sufficient to clarify the point. If the UE rate was 4.16% under GWB and had a 1.5% increase (to 5.6%) that would be a 35% increase in unemployment but both 4.16% and 5.6% would be outstanding. Conversely if under BHO the UE IS 7.5% a change of .5% up (to 8.0%) would be an increase of 6.6% but both 7.5 and 8.0 would be crappy.

    See?
    Good luck getting Sheik to understand your point which is absolutely correct

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary View Post
    Let's face reality, U3 stats don't apply to these times. Bush and the Republicans toasted this economy and left it in free fall, when Obama took over. We're lucky we didn't get Great Depression II. Our economy is limping back, because Republican obstructionism is stopping the opportunities to fix it quickly. The Republicans know they screwed the economy up and how they did it, but that doesn't stop them from trying to blame others and telling others to learn how to take responsiblity. When you're totally dedicated to hypocisy, what choice do you have?
    Very constructive...thank you for that.

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary View Post
    Let's face reality, U3 stats don't apply to these times. Bush and the Republicans toasted this economy and left it in free fall, when Obama took over. We're lucky we didn't get Great Depression II. Our economy is limping back, because Republican obstructionism is stopping the opportunities to fix it quickly. The Republicans know they screwed the economy up and how they did it, but that doesn't stop them from trying to blame others and telling others to learn how to take responsiblity. When you're totally dedicated to hypocisy, what choice do you have?
    Didn't recall the Republicans being in charge of the economy in December 2007 when the economy went in recession but do recall them holding control of Congress from January 2007 to January 2011. Also don't recall the legislation that obama implemented that brought us back from the brink of depression so please enlighten us all. It would also be very helpful to explain why the recovery from that recession was so poor and the worst in U.S. History.

    you keep saying the Republicans are placing blame so tell me how the Republicans with no control of Congress from 2007-2011 were in position to implement anything thus blame anyone else. Thanks in advance.

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

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    Didn't recall the Republicans being in charge of the economy in December 2007 when the economy went in recession but do recall them holding control of Congress from January 2007 to January 2011. Also don't recall the legislation that obama implemented that brought us back from the brink of depression so please enlighten us all. It would also be very helpful to explain why the recovery from that recession was so poor and the worst in U.S. History.

    you keep saying the Republicans are placing blame so tell me how the Republicans with no control of Congress from 2007-2011 were in position to implement anything thus blame anyone else. Thanks in advance.
    The housing boom was the result of changes in the law and it was Republican legislation. The CFMA and GLBA have Phil Gramm written all over them. Without those acts, the banks couldn't do what they did. The majority in Congress had nothing to do with it. It takes a super majority to do anything. Bush was responsible and so are all the idiots who voted for him or any Republican. If you want to be conservative, be it and peddle your wares without dealing with the most corrupt organization America has ever known, which is the Republican Party.

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