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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    FALSE.

    Obama has not "spent recklessly." He doesn't have the power to spend. Only Congress does that. Nor can he enact anything.
    He has the power to both propose new spending and veto spending he deems irresponsible, unfortunately he seems to be inclined to do only the former.

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Those aren't correlated. Congress having "done something" in 2007 would not have changed our predicament. There was no way to fix things by that point. It was too late.
    No, the point is that if doing nothing can be credited with job growth, doing nothing - BEFORE the financial collapse - should be blamed for the collapse.

    Someone should have "done something" when Gramm-Leach-Bliley was on its way to Bill Clinton's desk.
    Good example of my point.
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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    He has the power to both propose new spending and veto spending he deems irresponsible, unfortunately he seems to be inclined to do only the former.
    Yes - "propose." He doesn't have the power to spend, or enact spending.
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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Why? Because he's not the only one involved?
    Because the Constitution gives Congress the power to spend, with only a limited veto power the only role of the President.
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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Who approved the 2009 budget, a Democrat or Republican Congress?
    Bush .

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You blame Bush for the 4.9 trillion but not Obama for the 4.6 trillion in three years. Backatcha
    Either Bush is responsible for 4.9 AND Obama is responsible for 4.6, or Bush is not responsible for 4.9 AND Obama is not responsible for 4.6. You can't cherry pick.
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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes - "propose." He doesn't have the power to spend, or enact spending.
    Semantics, his policies have increased spending that's been my point all along.

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Got it, Bush was in office from October 1, 2008 to January 21, 2009 and added trillions to the debt in less than 4 months. Obama department heads didn't spend a dime including the stimulus, GM/Chrylser takeover, Afghanistan supplementals? That is liberal logic
    Ok, 50 billion for GM. The war suppliment for Iraq/Afghanistan is Bush's.

    So that's 50 billion. Another .8T for ARRA

    The other 3.8 trillion is ... ?

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Semantics, his policies have increased spending that's been my point all along.
    False again.

    Congress is responsible for enacting spending bills. This is a simple fact. Obama may propose a policy - and you haven't named them, but whatever - but Congress enacts. The best you can say is that Congress and Obama have failed to control spending. You simply cannot blame it on the president, any president.
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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    How much of that spending is due to his initiative and not Bush's? The wars, Part D etc.
    That 3.8T represents an increase of 900BN over the largest Bush budget. So, over three years, at least 2.7T.

    But all spending is under the control of the people in charge now.
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