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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    The difference today is that we have had additional decades of legal plunder by the government. The people think they love plunder. Everyone plunders everyone else and we all believe we are the ones who will magically receive more plunder than we had plundered from us. Once a majority believed that government's purpose was to make us all equal instead of protecting us and our property from all others communism was the logical end point.

    The US may very well be doomed. We do get the leaders we deserve.
    Which is what makes this quite interesting

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Your arguments are faulty. The house and senate members of the intelligence committees are regularly briefed. This was not a one time deal. Nor is it one way. The members can and do ask questions. The intelligence community is required to provide answers appropriate to their level of clearance. The answers don't change when the classification level goes up.

    once upon a time I was involved with briefing books. The all source analysis guys routinely identified topics of interest to their audience and reviewed all levels of material as they wrote the briefing pieces. The books were also tailored to the level of interest the audience had in the topic. Some people want only the bottom line. Others want all the details that went into the assessment. I have seen both. And the answers did not change.
    My posts on the matter were neither deceiptful nor faulty. In countering the absurd claim that the Senate and House have access to the same intel as the president, I pointed out that access was limited to a select few, that the vast majority of Congress does not share that same level of clearance as the president.

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    My posts on the matter were neither deceiptful nor faulty. In countering the absurd claim that the Senate and House have access to the same intel as the president, I pointed out that access was limited to a select few, that the vast majority of Congress does not share that same level of clearance as the president.
    The committees are selected by their members and if they aren't briefed by the members then like on all issues to liberals it is someone else's fault, right? Why would any responsible person vote on an authorization of force without getting briefed? You keep digging that hole deeper for liberalism.

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The committees are selected by their members and if they aren't briefed by the members then like on all issues to liberals it is someone else's fault, right? Why would any responsible person vote on an authorization of force without getting briefed? You keep digging that hole deeper for liberalism.
    First, everyone doesn't have clearance to get the full brief. Second, even those who did have clearance were fed selective and unreliable intelligence, courtesy of Bush's "novel" intelligence gathering system.

    Stovepiping by the Bush Administration

    Another meaning of stovepiping is "piping" of raw intelligence data directly to decision makers, bypassing established procedures for review by professional intelligence analysts for validity (a process known as vetting), an important concern since the information may have been presented by a dishonest source with ulterior motives, or may be invalid for myriad other reasons.[2] The risk inherent with stovepiping is that government policy will have been based on faulty intelligence, and thus will be without rational basis (a garbage in, garbage out scenario).

    The Office of Special Plans (OSP), created by the Bush administration, stovepiped raw intelligence related to Saddam Hussein's government in Iraq to high level Bush administration officials. Professional analysts from other departments determined that many of these reports originated with dishonest sources or were untrue for other reasons (see e.g. Curveball), and the process of vetting would have prevented their reaching decision makers through normal channels. This stovepiping by the OSP had the effect of providing a substantial portion of the untrue allegations that formed the publicly declared justifications for the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, such as allegations of collaboration with Al Qaeda and an ongoing program of weapons of mass destruction.[3]
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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The committees are selected by their members and if they aren't briefed by the members then like on all issues to liberals it is someone else's fault, right? Why would any responsible person vote on an authorization of force without getting briefed? You keep digging that hole deeper for liberalism.
    Now you're ascribing a position to me that I didn't take. I didn't say Congress wasn't briefed. I said there were some members who received the same NIE as Bush but tgat the vast majority of Congress could only get access to the heavily redacted White Paper.

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    First, everyone doesn't have clearance to get the full brief. Second, even those who did have clearance were fed selective and unreliable intelligence, courtesy of Bush's "novel" intelligence gathering system.



    Stovepiping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Total and complete bull**** especially when you have "George "slam dunk" Tenet from the Clinton Administration? Was Bush in charge of the 1998-2000 intelligence as well? You people really do have a sickness, get over it

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post

    Now you're ascribing a position to me that I didn't take. I didn't say Congress wasn't briefed. I said there were some members who received the same NIE as Bush but tgat the vast majority of Congress could only get access to the heavily redacted White Paper.
    There is nothing to prevent Democrats from questioning their own members of the Intelligence committees and you know it. This really is a sickness on your part and you want badly to believe what the left tells you. You have constantly called Bush a liar but ignore the lies of your own liberal wing of the party. That is being a hypocrit

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    I blame the intelligence committee.
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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I blame the intelligence committee.
    It is a lot easier for a liberal to place blame than accept responsibility. They do it so well. Isn't it amazing that negative results are Bush's and any perceived positive results are Obama's and they change depending on the news, i.e. an improving economy is Obama's but having fewer people employed and 1.059 million discouraged workers in December 2011 is Bush's responsibility? Rising home construction are Obama's but record foreclosure for 2010 year ending are Bush's? 3.6% GDP growth in 2010 are Obama results but 1.8% GDP growth in 2011 are Bush's results? You see how easy it is to be a liberal?

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It is a lot easier for a liberal to place blame than accept responsibility. They do it so well. Isn't it amazing that negative results are Bush's and any perceived positive results are Obama's and they change depending on the news, i.e. an improving economy is Obama's but having fewer people employed and 1.059 million discouraged workers in December 2011 is Bush's responsibility? Rising home construction are Obama's but record foreclosure for 2010 year ending are Bush's? 3.6% GDP growth in 2010 are Obama results but 1.8% GDP growth in 2011 are Bush's results? You see how easy it is to be a liberal?
    More private sector jobs have been created in the last three years of Obama than 8 years of Bush.


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