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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Classified information is on a NEED TO KNOW basis. Okay, so maybe you need schooling, cause you don't know WTF you're talking about. Just because Bush had 96 page, doesn't mean the Senate need 96 pages. That's total bull****, and anyone that's ever handle classified info knows that.
    Umm, tell that to Conservative who actually said the House and the Senate have access to the same intell as the information as the president. Meanwhile, the 17 member Senate Intelligence Committee did indeed get a copy of the classified 96 page NIE.

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Umm, tell that to Conservative who actually said the House and the Senate have access to the same intell as the information as the president. Meanwhile, the 17 member Senate Intelligence Committee did indeed get a copy of the classified 96 page NIE.
    So then, 17 members of Congress, both parties, lied and didn't do their job? You continue to blame Bush

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    So then, 17 members of Congress, both parties, lied and didn't do their job? You continue to blame Bush
    Who was commander in chief again??

    Oh, that's right ...


    "As president I am responsible for the decision to go into Iraq." ~ George Bush, 12.14.2005

    I'll be sure to remind you of this next time you talk about "personal responsibility."

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Who was commander in chief again??

    Oh, that's right ...


    "As president I am responsible for the decision to go into Iraq." ~ George Bush, 12.14.2005

    I'll be sure to remind you of this next time you talk about "personal responsibility."
    Aw, yes, a leader who takes responsibility vs. the current President who only places blame. As usual, you miss the point, it wasn't Bush alone that made the decision just like it wasn't Bush alone that created the housing bubble but your hatred for Bush has blinded you as you ignore the damage that Obama and the Democrat controlled Congress did

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post

    Once again, are you speculating or do you have evidence of such (like a copy of the 28 page version you espouse)?
    If you want to see the 28 page version, it's online ...

    http://usiraq.procon.org/sourcefiles...20Estimate.pdf

    ... as far as my claim that the doubts contained in the full 96 page NIE were left out in the watered down 28 page "white paper" ...


    The October weapons of mass destruction estimate, with its numerous errors and exaggerated key judgments, reached Congress days before the hurried vote authorizing the President to order an invasion of Iraq.


    As the Committee report describes, the unclassified version of the Estimate, the so-called "white paper," that was released concurrently by the Intelligence Community to aid in the public debate further compounded the errors in the underlying classified analysis.


    For reasons that have not been convincingly explained, the Intelligence Community eliminated many of the analytical caveats that were contained in the classified estimate when releasing the white paper to the public. Dissenting opinions among agencies on key judgments were dropped from the unclassified document as well. Perhaps most astonishingly, a key judgment in the white paper on Iraq's potential to deliver biological weapons added a meaningful phrase - "including potentially against the US Homeland" - that was not part of the corresponding key judgment in the classified estimate. This addition, which the Intelligence Community has been unable to explain to the Committee, communicated to the American public a level of threat against the United States homeland that was inconsistent with the Intelligence Community's judgment.


    Not only did the Intelligence Community produce a white paper that failed to accurately state its own analytical beliefs, and, in turn, misled the public, it selectively declassified information in a way that kept from the public important judgments central to the debate at the time, namely the likelihood that Baghdad would launch a terrorist attack against the United States or assist Islamic terrorists in launching such an attack, especially using weapons of mass destruction.


    Only after members of the Committee requested further declassification of the key judgments contained in the October Estimate did the CIA agree to release its assessment that, given what was understood at the time, the likelihood of Iraq initiating a weapon of mass destruction attack in the foreseeable future was low. The likelihood of an attack was assessed to be high, however, under the scenario that Saddam Hussein feared a military attack against Iraq threatened the survival of his regime. This judgment was not in keeping with statements by Administration officials at the time describing Iraq as a looming threat to America.

    REPORT ON THE U.S. INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY'S PREWAR INTELLIGENCE ASSESSMENTS ON IRAQ


    For example, where the version Bush had stated:


    "We assess that Baghdad has begun renewed production of mustard, sarin, GF (cyclosarin), and VX."


    Most of Congress was given the White Paper which omitted the "we assess":


    "Baghdad has begun renewed production of chemical warfare agents, probably including mustard, sarin, cyclosarin, and VX."


    More examples
    --> REPORT ON THE U.S. INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY'S PREWAR INTELLIGENCE ASSESSMENTS ON IRAQ

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    If you want to see the 28 page version, it's online ...

    http://usiraq.procon.org/sourcefiles...20Estimate.pdf

    ... as far as my claim that the doubts contained in the full 96 page NIE were left out in the watered down 28 page "white paper" ...


    The October weapons of mass destruction estimate, with its numerous errors and exaggerated key judgments, reached Congress days before the hurried vote authorizing the President to order an invasion of Iraq.


    As the Committee report describes, the unclassified version of the Estimate, the so-called "white paper," that was released concurrently by the Intelligence Community to aid in the public debate further compounded the errors in the underlying classified analysis.


    For reasons that have not been convincingly explained, the Intelligence Community eliminated many of the analytical caveats that were contained in the classified estimate when releasing the white paper to the public. Dissenting opinions among agencies on key judgments were dropped from the unclassified document as well. Perhaps most astonishingly, a key judgment in the white paper on Iraq's potential to deliver biological weapons added a meaningful phrase - "including potentially against the US Homeland" - that was not part of the corresponding key judgment in the classified estimate. This addition, which the Intelligence Community has been unable to explain to the Committee, communicated to the American public a level of threat against the United States homeland that was inconsistent with the Intelligence Community's judgment.


    Not only did the Intelligence Community produce a white paper that failed to accurately state its own analytical beliefs, and, in turn, misled the public, it selectively declassified information in a way that kept from the public important judgments central to the debate at the time, namely the likelihood that Baghdad would launch a terrorist attack against the United States or assist Islamic terrorists in launching such an attack, especially using weapons of mass destruction.


    Only after members of the Committee requested further declassification of the key judgments contained in the October Estimate did the CIA agree to release its assessment that, given what was understood at the time, the likelihood of Iraq initiating a weapon of mass destruction attack in the foreseeable future was low. The likelihood of an attack was assessed to be high, however, under the scenario that Saddam Hussein feared a military attack against Iraq threatened the survival of his regime. This judgment was not in keeping with statements by Administration officials at the time describing Iraq as a looming threat to America.

    REPORT ON THE U.S. INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY'S PREWAR INTELLIGENCE ASSESSMENTS ON IRAQ


    For example, where the version Bush had stated:


    "We assess that Baghdad has begun renewed production of mustard, sarin, GF (cyclosarin), and VX."


    Most of Congress was given the White Paper which omitted the "we assess":


    "Baghdad has begun renewed production of chemical warfare agents, probably including mustard, sarin, cyclosarin, and VX."


    More examples
    --> REPORT ON THE U.S. INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY'S PREWAR INTELLIGENCE ASSESSMENTS ON IRAQ
    Damn, your hatred of Bush is a sickness, seek help.

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Aw, yes, a leader who takes responsibility vs. the current President who only places blame.
    7 years and 11 months into Bush's presidency ...

    "You know, I'm the president during this period of time, but I think when the history of this period is written, people will realize a lot of the decisions that were made on Wall Street took place over a decade or so, before I arrived ... And when people review the history of this administration, people will say that this administration tried hard to get a regulator." ~ George Bush, 12.4.2008

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    As usual, you miss the point, it wasn't Bush alone that made the decision just like it wasn't Bush alone that created the housing bubble but your hatred for Bush has blinded you as you ignore the damage that Obama and the Democrat controlled Congress did
    Now THAT'S funny coming from the sycophant who blames Obama for almost of the 8 million jobs lost due to Bush's Great Recession.

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    7 years and 11 months into Bush's presidency ...

    "You know, I'm the president during this period of time, but I think when the history of this period is written, people will realize a lot of the decisions that were made on Wall Street took place over a decade or so, before I arrived ... And when people review the history of this administration, people will say that this administration tried hard to get a regulator." ~ George Bush, 12.4.2008


    Now THAT'S funny coming from the sycophant who blames Obama for almost of the 8 million jobs lost due to Bush's Great Recession.
    How about the psychopath who always lives in the past but only in the negative areas of the past while always ignoring the present and the failures of the guy you voted for. Absolutely amazing that here we are 3 years after Obama took office, almost 12 years after the invasion of Iraq and you still want to relive the reasons for going into Iraq, still calling Bush a liar, and sill ignoring the empty suit in the WH today's performance. you really do need to seek professional help

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    How about the psychopath who always lives in the past but only in the negative areas of the past while always ignoring the present and the failures of the guy you voted for. Absolutely amazing that here we are 3 years after Obama took office, almost 12 years after the invasion of Iraq and you still want to relive the reasons for going into Iraq, still calling Bush a liar, and sill ignoring the empty suit in the WH today's performance. you really do need to seek professional help
    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" ~ a very smart Liberal

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    Re: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" ~ a very smart Liberal

    Yep, we are reliving the Carter days focused on micromanagement of the Private sector generating similar results.

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