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    Re: Family of murdered Border Patrol agent files $25M claim against ATF Read more: h

    Do the families of those killed with legally/illegally purchased guns get to sue the dealer, gun manufacturer or murderer? What about war? Do the families of soldiers get to sue the government if they get killed? This was a government operation that went horribly wrong. The border patrol agent was killed doing his job. It's an occupational hazard. The family is now trying to cash in on the matter with what is a clearly frivolous lawsuit.
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    Re: Family of murdered Border Patrol agent files $25M claim against ATF Read more: h

    Good GAWD! What world do liberals come from?


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    Re: Family of murdered Border Patrol agent files $25M claim against ATF Read more: h

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Good GAWD! What world do liberals come from?


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    The real world

    What mental institution did the wingnuts escape from?
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    Re: Family of murdered Border Patrol agent files $25M claim against ATF Read more: h

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The real world

    As long as you believe so, then I guess in your own mind that would be the truth eh?


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    Re: Family of murdered Border Patrol agent files $25M claim against ATF Read more: h

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Do the families of those killed with legally/illegally purchased guns get to sue the dealer, gun manufacturer or murderer? What about war? Do the families of soldiers get to sue the government if they get killed? This was a government operation that went horribly wrong. The border patrol agent was killed doing his job. It's an occupational hazard. The family is now trying to cash in on the matter with what is a clearly frivolous lawsuit.
    If that dealer illegally sold the guns, yes, I imagine they can be sued. If they knowingly sold to members of a criminal organization, yes I imagine one could sue.

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    Re: Family of murdered Border Patrol agent files $25M claim against ATF Read more: h

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    If that dealer illegally sold the guns, yes, I imagine they can be sued. If they knowingly sold to members of a criminal organization, yes I imagine one could sue.
    1. You have to establish the guns were illegally sold by an unauthorized dealer.
    2. Being a member of a criminal organization does not make one unable to purchase guns.
    3. You have to establish that the person who purchased the gun was not legally allowed to do in the jurisdiction they did it in.

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    4. You have to establish the culpability of the unauthorized dealer in the crime.

    Good luck with all that.
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    Re: Family of murdered Border Patrol agent files $25M claim against ATF Read more: h

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    1. You have to establish the guns were illegally sold by an unauthorized dealer.
    No, I would think that you could show that they were illegally sold by either an authorized or unauthorized dealer.

    2. Being a member of a criminal organization does not make one unable to purchase guns.
    Not in of itself but if you could show that the dealer knew it was going to be used for illegal purposes I would think that he could be arrested as an accomplice and then successfully sued in civil court.

    3. You have to establish that the person who purchased the gun was not legally allowed to do in the jurisdiction they did it in.
    Not a very high bar.

    Finally:

    4. You have to establish the culpability of the unauthorized dealer in the crime.
    So far, IMO that all defines Holder to a T.


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    Re: Family of murdered Border Patrol agent files $25M claim against ATF Read more: h

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Good GAWD! What world do liberals come from?


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    Isnt it quite obvious that the reason Libs are being so ignorant on F&F is to protect Holder and Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    Isnt it quite obvious that the reason Libs are being so ignorant on F&F is to protect Holder and Obama.

    Oh yeah, but these are stunning times...See after 8 years of hearing how, what, and what they wouldn't do in all things government in order to take the moral high ground during Bush, it is jaw dropping now to see them play such ignorance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    No, I would think that you could show that they were illegally sold by either an authorized or unauthorized dealer.
    Considering this operation was a federal operation I wish you good luck with that.

    Not in of itself but if you could show that the dealer knew it was going to be used for illegal purposes I would think that he could be arrested as an accomplice and then successfully sued in civil court.
    Crystal balls are a terrible way to make judgments.

    Not a very high bar.
    Of course not - however it makes a gigantic difference.

    So far, IMO that all defines Holder to a T
    Yes, because it's Obama AG.
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