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    Re: Family of murdered Border Patrol agent files $25M claim against ATF Read more: h

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    If a U.S. gun had not killed Terry, another one would have. There are therefore no guilty parties on the U.S. side of the border, which makes any desire for 'punishment' on the U.S. side of the border rather irrational.

    And on that note of irrationality, does anyone know or care what happened to the man that actually killed Agent Terry? Or is the source of the weapon the only concern?
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    Re: Family of murdered Border Patrol agent files $25M claim against ATF Read more: h

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    ^^^^^^^ Tigger's yang.
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    Re: Family of murdered Border Patrol agent files $25M claim against ATF Read more: h

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    If a U.S. gun had not killed Terry, another one would have. There are therefore no guilty parties on the U.S. side of the border, which makes any desire for 'punishment' on the U.S. side of the border rather irrational.

    And on that note of irrationality, does anyone know or care what happened to the man that actually killed Agent Terry? Or is the source of the weapon the only concern?

    Sorry, but im going to flat out ask you.

    Are you an actor portraying a neferious yet inquisative role?
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    Re: Family of murdered Border Patrol agent files $25M claim against ATF Read more: h

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    If a U.S. gun had not killed Terry, another one would have.
    You don't know that for sure.
    [B]

    There are therefore no guilty parties on the U.S. side of the border, which makes any desire for 'punishment' on the U.S. side of the border rather irrational.
    The government literally gave the guns to the thugs that killed the border agent.The idiots who thought it was a smart idea to give firearms to people we have no jurisdiction over should be punished.

    And on that note of irrationality, does anyone know or care what happened to the man that actually killed Agent Terry? Or is the source of the weapon the only concern?
    The scumbags who murdered the border agent should get the death penalty.
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Family of murdered Border Patrol agent files $25M claim against ATF Read more: h

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris, addressing Karl View Post
    Sorry, but im going to flat out ask you.

    Are you an actor portraying a neferious yet inquisative role?
    Your main concern should be, am I impersonating a grammarian?

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    Re: Family of murdered Border Patrol agent files $25M claim against ATF Read more: h

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    [1] You don't know that for sure.

    [2a] The government literally gave the guns to the thugs that killed the border agent. [2b] The idiots who thought it was a smart idea to give firearms to people we have no jurisdiction over should be punished.

    [3] The scumbags who murdered the border agent should get the death penalty.
    1. True, but it is a practically certain assumption.

    2a. That is far from a practically certain assumption.

    2b. I would tend to agree.

    3. I would tend to agree.

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    Re: Family of murdered Border Patrol agent files $25M claim against ATF Read more: h

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    1. True, but it is a practically certain assumption.

    2a. That is far from a practically certain assumption.
    Are you implying the government did not give these thugs weapons?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Family of murdered Border Patrol agent files $25M claim against ATF Read more: h

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I would prefer a criminal as opposed a civil conviction but I wish them success.
    Criminally negligent manslaughter

    Criminally negligent manslaughter is variously referred to as criminally negligent homicide in the United States, gross negligence manslaughter in England and Wales. In Scotland and some Commonwealth of Nations jurisdictions the offence of culpable homicide might apply.

    It occurs where death results from serious negligence, or, in some jurisdictions, serious recklessness. A high degree of negligence is required to warrant criminal liability. A related concept is that of willful blindness, which is where a defendant intentionally puts himself in a position where he will be unaware of facts which would render him liable.

    Criminally negligent manslaughter occurs where there is an omission to act when there is a duty to do so, or a failure to perform a duty owed, which leads to a death. The existence of the duty is essential because the law does not impose criminal liability for a failure to act unless a specific duty is owed to the victim.

    Manslaughter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    While the operation was carried out to catch drug dealers from a murderous cartel, it should have been HALTED immediately as soon as they started losing track of the guns. It's the failure to foresee the consequences of continuing to supply assault rifles to known killers after losing track of them that constitutes the "wanton disregard for human life".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Sovereign immunity is wide, but not absolute. If the defendant was violating someone's civil rights (that's a given, I think) and acting outside the scope of his duties, he's vulnerable. This will take some damned fine lawyering, but I wish them all the luck in the world.

    Too bad they couldn't have sued under RICO.
    No, it's not a "given"

    Not even close

    This is just another wingnut lawsuit
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Are you implying the government did not give these thugs weapons?
    Umm, the govt did not give them weapons. They merely did not prevent them from procuring the guns
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