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House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

MrVicchio said:
I'm not making up number Gary. I actually bother to know what the heck I'm talking about.

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Now, these numbers are from the US Government. The one making up numbers son, is you.
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The one making up numbers son, is you.
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Don't call me son!

So you know what the heck you're talking about. Then, prove this:

Originally Posted by MrVicchio
We cannot afford SS and Medicare. Hate to break it to you son, but those programs eat up roughly 35-40% of the CURRENT budget that we have to borrow trillions to pay for. Add in welfare, foodstamps, and Medicaide and guess what? You breach 60% of the budget just on social programs ALONE

Think about that for a moment. +60% of the budget is taking money from one group of people, and giving to others. But to do this, we have borrowed over 17 TRILLION Dollars. You can blather about military spending and wars till you turn blue in the face, the numbers however are not on your side as to the cause of our debt. Neither is the idiotic line of "The rich need to pay their fair share!"

ALL Social Programs have become voter bribes, and we cannot afford them any more. But go on, keep pushing for them, spend more! Borrow more, economic calamity is that way, and you seem eager for it.
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Originally Posted by MrVicchio
This is more dreaming on your part. SS is all ready in the red. (I.E. it's paying out more then it's taking in) It's also what economist, call an unfunded liability... yeah, we have over 100,000,000,000,000.00 in unfunded liabilities coming due oh, in the next 30 years or so. Toss in Obamacare and well...
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The Off-Budget items of Social security and Medicare had a surplus of $240,612,000,000 in 2011. Check Table 1.1!
 
Gary said:
Don't call me son!

So you know what the heck you're talking about. Then, prove this:





The Off-Budget items of Social security and Medicare had a surplus of $240,612,000,000 in 2011. Check Table 1.1!
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Boggle.

Your inability to accept reality boggles the mind.
 
MrVicchio said:
Boggle.

Your inability to accept reality boggles the mind.
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Then, explain it and your rhetoric doesn't explain anything but defeat!

I posted Authenticated U.S Government Information GPO (go to the first page and see the seal) and you posted a wiki chart showing nothing about what was on or off budget. Off-Budget are payroll taxes for Medicare and Social Security. Now, why is there a surplus of $240,612,000,000 in 2011? That is the estimated amount of money borrowed from the Trust fund, so those Off-Budget items can't have money borrowed to pay for them. They are borrowing the money from them to pay for the other government expenses.
 
Gary said:
Then, explain it and your rhetoric doesn't explain anything but defeat!

I posted Authenticated U.S Government Information GPO (go to the first page and see the seal) and you posted a wiki chart showing nothing about what was on or off budget. Off-Budget are payroll taxes for Medicare and Social Security. Now, why is there a surplus of $240,612,000,000 in 2011? That is the estimated amount of money borrowed from the Trust fund, so those Off-Budget items can't have money borrowed to pay for them. They are borrowing the money from them to pay for the other government expenses.
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Therre is no surplus, that's a budgetary shell game. If there a "surplus" we wouldn't have to borrow trillions.

You do get that right? We BORROWED over a trillion Dollars last year. The surplus, is just an accounting trick.
 
MrVicchio said:
Therre is no surplus, that's a budgetary shell game. If there a "surplus" we wouldn't have to borrow trillions.

You do get that right? We BORROWED over a trillion Dollars last year. The surplus, is just an accounting trick.
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Bull****!

Originally Posted by MrVicchio
This is more dreaming on your part. SS is all ready in the red. (I.E. it's paying out more then it's taking in) It's also what economist, call an unfunded liability... yeah, we have over 100,000,000,000,000.00 in unfunded liabilities coming due oh, in the next 30 years or so. Toss in Obamacare and well...
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SS is all ready in the red.
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False! It's been proven false with authenticated government information and not hot air!
 
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Gary said:
Bull****!





False! It's been proven false with authenticated government information and not hot air!
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Summary
Some senior Democrats are claiming that Social Security does not contribute "one penny" to the federal deficit. That’s not true. The fact is, the federal government had to borrow $37 billion last year to finance Social Security, and will need to borrow more this year. The red ink is projected to total well over half a trillion dollars in the coming decade.

President Barack Obama was closer to the mark than some of his Democratic allies when he said that Social Security is "not the huge contributor to the deficit that [Medicare and Medicaid] are." That’s correct: Medicare and Medicaid consume more borrowed funds than Social Security, and their costs are growing more rapidly. But Obama’s own budget director, Jacob Lew, was misleading when he wrote recently that "Social Security benefits are entirely self-financing." That’s not true, except in a very narrow, legalistic sense, and doesn’t change the fact that Social Security is now a small but growing drain on the government’s finances.
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FactCheck.org : Democrats Deny Social Security’s Red Ink

Facts are not your friend.
 
MrVicchio said:
FY09

We're in 2012.

You lose. Again.
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Who made the FY09 budget?

You lost because you support the Republican nonsense that caused these bad economic times. There isn't a deficit in Social Security, even with millions out of work and not paying into it. If you want to fund the government, do things to make the economy better and not the Republican way of making it worse!
 
Gary said:
Who made the FY09 budget?

You lost because you support the Republican nonsense that caused these bad economic times. There isn't a deficit in Social Security, even with millions out of work and not paying into it. If you want to fund the government, do things to make the economy better and not the Republican way of making it worse!
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Ahh you've devolved into hyper-partisan blathering.

Here's a hint, we haven't had a budget since.. what 2006? the Dem's control the Senate, and refuse to pass one. You can blame the Republicans all you want, but they don't hold that power. In fact, in FY09 the DEMS had the House and the SENATE. And still failed to pass a budget.

But back to the issue you are running scared from, because you were proved wrong in all aspects... SS, Medicare and Medicaide are in fact, huge drains on the budget, and are in the red. There is no surplus for any of them. Welcome to reality, you lose.
 
MrVicchio said:
Ahh you've devolved into hyper-partisan blathering.

Here's a hint, we haven't had a budget since.. what 2006? the Dem's control the Senate, and refuse to pass one. You can blame the Republicans all you want, but they don't hold that power. In fact, in FY09 the DEMS had the House and the SENATE. And still failed to pass a budget.

But back to the issue you are running scared from, because you were proved wrong in all aspects... SS, Medicare and Medicaide are in fact, huge drains on the budget, and are in the red. There is no surplus for any of them. Welcome to reality, you lose.
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The President submits the budgets to Congress. You had 8 years of Republicans controlling the government, all they did was turn a surplus into a deficit and didn't even create jobs in the process. Who is on the bottom of the list, since WWII, for annual jobs creation? George W. Bush!

Jobs created during U.S. presidential terms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bush managed to fight two wars and still not make jobs. Bush managed to have the stock market decline when he was President.

Your Republican policies don't work.

SS, Medicare and Medicaide are in fact, huge drains on the budget
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SS and Medicare are Off-Budget and have surpluses. Medicaid is just like a corporate subsidy, because we have a system that allows the rich to profit off of health care and that makes our health care system cost twice what it should. Medicaid has nothing to do with Off-Budget surpluses, so why are you bringing it into that discussion? The people who get Medicare and SS have paid for it. Do you have any idea how much money is in the SS trust fund?
 
Gary said:
The President submits the budgets to Congress. You had 8 years of Republicans controlling the government, all they did was turn a surplus into a deficit and didn't even create jobs in the process. Who is on the bottom of the list, since WWII, for annual jobs creation? George W. Bush!

Jobs created during U.S. presidential terms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bush managed to fight two wars and still not make jobs. Bush managed to have the stock market decline when he was President.

Your Republican policies don't work.



SS and Medicare are Off-Budget and have surpluses. Medicaid is just like a corporate subsidy, because we have a system that allows the rich to profit off of health care and that makes our health care system cost twice what it should. Medicaid has nothing to do with Off-Budget surpluses, so why are you bringing it into that discussion? The people who get Medicare and SS have paid for it. Do you have any idea how much money is in the SS trust fund?
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It's kinda hard discussing reality with someone who doesn't also reside in reality.

the President "submits" a budget, which must then pass the House, then the Senate and then back to the President for approval.

(Here's a hint, there was never a surplus, and SS, Medicare and medicaide require massive borrowing to fund each year. You really have no idea wtf you are talking about)


I've concluded from these discussions that you are either someone pretending to be a hyper-partisan left winger for ****s and grins... or you are so far hyper-partisan that you aren't worth the effort to respond too.
 
MrVicchio said:
It's kinda hard discussing reality with someone who doesn't also reside in reality.

the President "submits" a budget, which must then pass the House, then the Senate and then back to the President for approval.

(Here's a hint, there was never a surplus, and SS, Medicare and medicaide require massive borrowing to fund each year. You really have no idea wtf you are talking about)


I've concluded from these discussions that you are either someone pretending to be a hyper-partisan left winger for ****s and grins... or you are so far hyper-partisan that you aren't worth the effort to respond too.
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Your payroll taxes aren't for Medicaid. They're for SS and Medicare. By this time of the year, they would have a very good idea of what was recieved for payroll taxes and what was sent out for Social Security. There may be some lag in settling all the Medicare accounts, the figures for 2011 are estimates. The Off-Budget figures for 2010 should be known. Other On-Budget items wouldn't be known, so they keep the budget an estimate until everything is known.

If you want to prove those Off-Budget items are in deficit, you have to use a government source that deals with the budget and not some story by a right-wing blog!

The Republicans are hungry for that $2.5 trillion SS trust fund.
 
jamesrage said:
I support this.But I think wiring housing assistance money to the land lords bank account and the bank account of utility providers would save money.And instead of giving out food stamp cards why not something similar to wic vouchers?

House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
The House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed a bill that prohibits welfare recipients from using their government subsidy in strip clubs, liquor stores and casinos.
The measure easily received the necessary support of two-thirds of House members, with 395 voting in favor and only 27 opposing.
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Hardly seems fair that Congressmen can spend their campaign funds in those very same places: strip clubs, liquor stores, and casinos.
 
Gary said:
some story by a right-wing blog!
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:rofl

Wonderful. So we can now consider Factcheck a "right-wing blog". People like this on both sides make me laugh my ass off.
 
Neomalthusian said:
Of course it has. The US Gov. has to borrow to keep sending out SS checks, the trust fund is full of IOUs, and SS taxes go into the general fund. Just because we gave it its own tax doesn't mean it hasn't contributed to the debt in its own way like every other expenditure has.
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MrVicchio said:
This is more dreaming on your part. SS is all ready in the red. (I.E. it's paying out more then it's taking in) It's also what economist, call an unfunded liability... yeah, we have over 100,000,000,000,000.00 in unfunded liabilities coming due oh, in the next 30 years or so. Toss in Obamacare and well...
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SS has been so successful, it has a surplus of 2.6 trillion dollars, enough for full payments through 2036. The general fund used this surplus to reduce the debt caused by a needless war in Iraq and tax cuts for the wealthy. Now its time to pay back the money borrowed from SS by cutting our excessive military spending and eliminating the tax cuts for the rich.
 
Catawba said:
SS has been so successful, it has a surplus of 2.6 trillion dollars, enough for full payments through 2036. The general fund used this surplus to reduce the debt caused by a needless war in Iraq and tax cuts for the wealthy. Now its time to pay back the money borrowed from SS by cutting our excessive military spending and eliminating the tax cuts for the rich.
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I guess you are another one that only believes FactCheck when it supports you.
 
Gill said:
I guess you are another one that only believes FactCheck when it supports you.
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Have you read the Treasury report update for Social Security?
 
Catawba said:
Have you read the Treasury report update for Social Security?
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No, read the CBO report though.

Did you?

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Since the robbery of Social Security was renewed, I'm sure the CBO numbers are even worse now.
 
Gill said:
No, read the CBO report though.
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Let's see the link to the CBO report you read please? I contend you misread it.
 
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