personally I feel that if you rely on others to feed or shelter you, they get to dictate what that is. Perhaps the greatest incentive of all is that it is just barely enough, and to move up the social economic ladder would be to profvde for oneself to make for a better life... I guess however one must have pride in order to feel the desire to move up....
This nation has gone completely slapped ass crazy and the House bill in the OP is one of many, many, many examples. I've never been on welfare or used food stamps, but I have spent the night at a Holiday Inn - which may be surprisingly similar. It seems many of you don't drink or have never been to a strip club. Laughingly it would seem that Congress hasn't either. I call bull**** on that notion. If any group of Americans knows liquor and strippers, it is the U.S. Congress. Who are they trying to fool? Well, actually they are trying to fool us. Judging from what I have read here Congress has been somewhat successful and/or some of y'all have been, ahem, disingenuous. I will agree that women may not know the ins and outs of strip clubs and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
Mr. Invisible was right on the money. As to the rest of you, unless your strip club experience has been limited to backing a flatbed truck into a 20 man army tent to use as a stage and drinking alcohol poured out of mason jars, you very well know that strip clubs are not cheap. Here's what food stamps would buy you in a strip club: a glass of water, half of a pack of generic cigarettes and the embarrassment of trying to put 38 cents in a stripper's garter. That's about it. You know it, I know it and Congress knows it.
Beyond that, I don't know that strip clubs can or would accept food stamps. Why in the name of raw capitalism (something many of you masturbate to) would the owner of a strip club want to encourage poor folks with little or no money to rub elbows with high rollers? Let me help you with that answer - he wouldn't. You know that as well. Get the food stamp/welfare strip club idea out of your head. If you believe it, you're lying to yourself. Oh, sure, of course there's always going to be some anecdotal "proof" but it's anecdotal, mmkay?
The House bill is nothing more than a GOP circle jerk. A meaningless bill that was written and passed to appeal to the morally righteous, the church lobby and the racially prejudiced in America. Food stamp recipients are largely believed by the aforementioned to be lazy, uneducated, drug addicted, alcoholic, sexually depraved and non-white.
How do we know this? Well, there's enough historical evidence, but more to the fact is what Congress didn't do, hasn't done and won't do: end business entertainment tax write-offs for lavish meals, golf outings at resorts, yada, yada - and, oh yeah, for alcohol. Of course you can no longer directly write-off liquor, but for those of you who don't know, it can easily be hidden in the total bill and is, frequently. Holy Jack Daniels! That's YOUR money. Businesses are routinely avoiding contributing to federal taxes. The law for the most part permits them to write off food and entertainment - even strippers - and on top of that they cheat and lie an buy liquor. Outrage? Yo mama. Don't look for any and don't look for the House to be changing that law.
One final thing. I don't give a fat rat's ass if someone wants to buy alcohol with food stamps or welfare as long as they aren't buying cases of the stuff and reselling it. If a guy wants to have a beer at the end of the day, go for it. Most people on welfare or food stamps are not going to spend all their food money on alcohol. Telling them what they will and will not eat is social engineering - conservative social engineering. That's something we are seeing a hell of a lot these days.
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"When Faith preaches Hate, Blessed are the Doubters." - Amin Maalouf
Here is how I look at it. I work, and they don't. Maybe they want to work, maybe they don't. I am feeding them and giving them shelter. I have no probs with it for those who have truly hit hard times and need to rebuild. Its gonna take a few months, I am ok with that. I do have a serious problem with those who will continually live off me for years and have no ambition to work and spend their time drinking and going to strip clubs.
I served on a advisory board for the state's FS program for a decade:
The most common type of FS fraud is a recipient selling their FS card for half the value to someone for cash. I have always favored requiring FS recipients to state who is authorized to use the card and having each authorized individual get a photo ID issued at the local level by FS caseworkers. Showing this ID should be mandatory to use the FS card. This would bring the practice of selling the cards to a grinding halt.
The second most common type of fraud is a store that allows purchases of things like diapers, alcohol and tobacco with FS. In order to do this, they scan / ring up an allowed item with the same cost instead of the diapers, alcohol or tobacco. If you know of a store doing this, report them to the department that administers the food stamp program in your state. Their website will have a number for you to report fraud.
A third type of fraud is stores buying FS card for half value and then using them to pay for items that other customers paid cash for. This means they get reimbursed for the full value. Sometime unscrupulous cashiers do this and pocket the cash.
Last edited by Frolicking Dinosaurs; 02-03-12 at 02:16 PM.