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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    I wonder how many people who bitch about "the food police" are in favor of telling recipients of public assistance what they can and can't eat.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    The thing about welfare is how you choose to view it. Some people see welfare as a program to help those in need. Some people see it as a system that is being abused by everyone. The truth is somewhere in between. Our current welfare system, in my opinion, is a great idea that is being taken too far. Welfare is being abused, and being abused by alot of their recipients. People are staying on welfare for far too long. Alot of people see no need to get off of welfare.

    These things are happening because society as a whole doesn't want to deal with the problems. We want to throw some money at them and tell them to go away. We don't want to invest the time or resources into correcting the problem.

    In my opinion 2 things need to happen to fix our welfare system. The first is make it far less convenient for people who are on it. Pay their rent in government approved housings for them. Issue WIC type vouchers (hadnt thought of this before now but great idea), pay their utilities for them. Don't just give them cash. I am all for piss testing recipients to ensure they are not using drugs. Not because I am worried about them spending their welfare money on it (because that shouldn't be possible if you dont give them cash) but because you are far less likely to be able to get a job and get off of welfare with hot piss. A condition of welfare is that you are actively working toward getting off of welfare. Regular interaction with you social worker.

    The second thing that needs to happen is we need to help them in more productive ways. Assisting them with getting into school or a tradeschool. Preparing them for interviews and resume building. Helping them find jobs and become self sufficient. I know there are programs like this out there now but they are very hard to use. Rather than making it more convienent for people to get cash and things that are far from needs we need to be making far easier for them to improve their chances at gaining and maintaining employment. (of course this applies to able bodied people. people with disabilities and the elderly would be exceptions).

    Welfare needs to help people survive. Enough food to live on, medical care for when they are sick, and a roof and heat. And a means to improve your life. Nothing more.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I wonder how many people who bitch about "the food police" are in favor of telling recipients of public assistance what they can and can't eat.

    I would have no problem with it.

    If you don't like being told what to eat, get off welfare. If you can't get off welfare, be glad you have something to eat.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Did I say "welfare is a large part of the budget"? No. I said "entitlements over all". And social security and medicare most certainly qualify as entitlements.
    why? we pay for them.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Thats the point, its getting to the point where we cannot pay for them. We are borrowing forty cents of every dollar then giving away 60 cents of every dollar. Maybe you dont see that as a problem but I do.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    I love the idea behind this law, but must confess to being confused as to how they think they will enforce this-- how are they going to track it, what are they going to do with violators?

    I think a better idea would be to issue welfare benefits on special debit cards-- like SNAP-- that can only be used with approved vendors. Or, at least, that can be audited.
    We already have existing tech to enforce this. For example, I as a NYS worker can use a NYS visa gas card that commands special prompts, including vehicle mileage and my I.D. number. An unauthorized user gets denied. Grocery stores have certain bonuses for Gas at participating companies, and that commands prompts to enter numbers to get the dollar off per gallon attributed by points alloted etc etc. Its definetly an ability we already have so that people can purchase particular approved items on a benny card.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    why? we pay for them.
    Yeah we do, like the supposedly free public education which is paid by taxes. The issue is how much it costs vs how much money in taxes are we paying and also, even if it is a balanced sheet (which it isn't) what are we getting for our money?

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I would have no problem with it.

    If you don't like being told what to eat, get off welfare. If you can't get off welfare, be glad you have something to eat.
    So when you go on public assistance, you lose the power to decide what you're going to eat?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    I'm ok with poor people having greater control over money given to them by government assistance. There is abuse in the system, but the controls already in place treat poor people like children. They are given less incentive and ability to control their destiny. Nobody wants the poor using welfare to pay for strippers and booze, and for good reason. However, this mindset also leads to greater control over the poor. They have no incentive to improve their habits and get out of poverty. If we are going to have welfare, there are two ways to go about. Either instate the poor houses, like in ye old Britain, and heavily regulate the lives of those living off of assistance, or we give the poor straight cash and don't subsidize anything else for them. There can still be conditions to receiving the money, but if a person living off of welfare wants to use the money to find their own way up the socio-economic ladder, they are free to do so. If they want to blow it all on strippers and stuff they don't need, fine, but they should not expect one cent of help when they have to pay for housing or their groceries. Treat the poor like adults. They will still be punished for stupid behavior, but they would have greater freedom to control their destinies.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    So when you go on public assistance, you lose the power to decide what you're going to eat?
    Yep, if you rely on others to feed you then they get to dictate what you eat.

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