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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    People get layed off due to jobs going overseas, injury, etc. or they are not trained or it takes a period of time to get another job.

    If you are talking about those types of people where they have 3 generations on welfare that's a different story and I would agree with you.

    Just because an unfortunate thing happens to someone, doesn't necessary reflect bad on someone to get help from the government.
    That's why your "Lean" says Slightly Liberal and mine says Very Conservative, Era. I've been laid off twice in my life without ever taking a dime of the benefits I was entitled to. Neither do I intend to take any SS or Medicare benefits when I reach that age.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    People get layed off due to jobs going overseas, injury, etc. or they are not trained or it takes a period of time to get another job.

    If you are talking about those types of people where they have 3 generations on welfare that's a different story and I would agree with you.

    Just because an unfortunate thing happens to someone, doesn't necessary reflect bad on someone to get help from the government.
    I'm completely fine with a hand up for those who suffer unfortunate circumstances, but currently, the system tolerates all kinds of idiocy.
    I mean, we're getting into the tax season.
    There is a whole parasitic tax prep business model, that thrives off low income people and their tax refunds.

    Those popular tax prep businesses, they nearly completely derive their income from doing taxes for people who get EITC.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    That's why your "Lean" says Slightly Liberal and mine says Very Conservative, Era. I've been laid off twice in my life without ever taking a dime of the benefits I was entitled to. Neither do I intend to take any SS or Medicare benefits when I reach that age.
    While I commend you on your situation in dealing with your being layed off, to think your situation applies to everyone else is simply not true. Not everyone is in the same situation in the same way.

    Being very conservative has nothing to do with taking welfare. For instance I knew a single mother who was just divorced due to the husband cheating on her. She had to raise two children on her own. She needed 18 months on welfare to get re-trained and day care assistance so she could get re-trained. She is very conservative in her beliefs, but her children come first. Today she is a successful and productive member of society without welfare.

    I really feel bad for you that you go through life with such bitterness, hatred, and utter contempt for people. For me it would be a shallow, meaningless existance. My hope is that you change to realize life is not this way but I am not holding my breath. Instead I will enjoy my life with my wife and daughter every chance I get.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm completely fine with a hand up for those who suffer unfortunate circumstances, but currently, the system tolerates all kinds of idiocy.
    I don't doubt that. I am all for meaningful methods of welfare reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I mean, we're getting into the tax season.
    There is a whole parasitic tax prep business model, that thrives off low income people and their tax refunds.

    Those popular tax prep businesses, they nearly completely derive their income from doing taxes for people who get EITC.

    Again, no disagreement there. A lot of work needs to be done, but it seems that both sides cannot come to an agreement on how to do it.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Just dropping by to clear up some misconceptions in this thread about food-stamps and welfare: === All states now use something that looks like a debit card for food stamps - this was implemented at the federal level to cut costs. The limits on what people can buy with the cards are the same as they were for the paper stamps. Certain high dollar foods (like caviar) are not allowed nor are prepared foods allowed (exceptions for some grocery store deli-type food because some elderly and disabled receipts cannot prepare the food - things like pre-roasted chicken, fried chicken, roasted meats, cooked veggies and pasta/potato salad). FS cards cannot be used at restaurants. They cannot be used to buy personal toiletries , cleaning supplies, any alcoholic beverage or any tobacco product. == All states also use a something like a debit card for granting welfare benefits - also implemented at the federal level to save on administrative costs. The use of the cards has not been restricted to specific items - so they work at liquor stores, casinos and strip clubs. They can be used at banks to withdraw cash (so the House law will do little to change how welfare recipients use their benefits) . == Some states have opted to put both welfare and FS benefits on a single card to save money. When this is done, only the amount of the welfare benefit can be used on non-food items or withdrawn as cash. Once that dollar amount is used, the card will only work for food purchases.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    While I commend you on your situation in dealing with your being layed off, to think your situation applies to everyone else is simply not true. Not everyone is in the same situation in the same way.
    It's about Principles, not situations, Era. The second time (Jan of 2001), I spent three weeks eating little more than sandwiches and water until I got the new job. It's not like I'm making the sort of money to have tens of thousands of dollars put away for that "rainy day".

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Being very conservative has nothing to do with taking welfare. For instance I knew a single mother who was just divorced due to the husband cheating on her. She had to raise two children on her own. She needed 18 months on welfare to get re-trained and day care assistance so she could get re-trained. She is very conservative in her beliefs, but her children come first. Today she is a successful and productive member of society without welfare.
    I wouldn't necessarily call her "very Conservative" by my definition, but that's a topic for a different time and place.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I really feel bad for you that you go through life with such bitterness, hatred, and utter contempt for people. For me it would be a shallow, meaningless existance. My hope is that you change to realize life is not this way but I am not holding my breath. Instead I will enjoy my life with my wife and daughter every chance I get.
    Don't waste a single second feeling bad or even thinking about me, Era; because trust me I'm not wasting a single second of my time worrying about you (or pretty much anyone else). Definitely don't hold your breath. Wouldn't want you to leave those two ladies without their husband/dad if you did that.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Don't waste a single second feeling bad or even thinking about me, Era; because trust me I'm not wasting a single second of my time worrying about you (or pretty much anyone else).
    Funny, then, that you invest the time in reading posts written about people you don't think about, and then invest even more time responding to those people.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Really? I've lived in big cities all my life and I've never seen it. Not once. Maybe it's a rural phenomenon.
    Maybe you were never in a position to witness it.

    I've worked in grocery stores for about 6 years off and on, throughout my life.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So a person on foodstamps doesn't deserve crawfish? You have no idea what this persons normal spending habits are and yet you condemn em for buying what might have been a "splurge" the same as yours.

    I absolutely hate this mentality that if someone is on foodstamps/welfare then they shouldn't be allowed ANYTHING but the most basics of basics.
    The idea behind foodstamps is that it is helping hands so that you do not starve to death.Not so you can have lobster,filet minion, t-bone steaks, craw-fish, expensive name brand foods, candies, cookies, soda, energy drinks and other wasteful or luxury foods. Those on tax payer aid should not be as much of a burden to tax payers. By making food stamp recipients stick to the basics you avoid them claiming their kids are starving,they need more food stamps this month than the previous month.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The idea behind foodstamps is that it is helping hands so that you do not starve to death.Not so you can have lobster,filet minion, t-bone steaks, craw-fish, expensive name brand foods, candies, cookies, soda, energy drinks and other wasteful or luxury foods. Those on tax payer aid should not be as much of a burden to tax payers. By making food stamp recipients stick to the basics you avoid them claiming their kids are starving,they need more food stamps this month than the previous month.
    I don't have any problem with going to a WIC type system where only certain brands or items are allowed. The problem is we can't get anyone to get focused on that Dem or Rep.

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