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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    The key term there is waste. I believe American lives are worth protecting. I would not risk the lives or safety of Americans, or any nationality for that matter to save some money. That is a rediculous idea.
    What American lives did the $2 trillion dollar war in Iraq save? From what I've read it cost us almost 5,000 American lives and tens of thousand wounded and maimed for life.

    We spend almost a Trillion dollars a year on the military when we could spend 3/4 less and still spend more than the next top spender on military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The working class created the SS surplus as they pay 90% of payroll taxes. The top 1% pay virtually no payroll taxes. So eliminating the tax cuts to the 1%, who got their tax increases at the expense of the SS and the working class that built up the surplus would not be taxing them again. They would simply be repaying their debt.
    None of this makes any sense whatsoever. I have no words for a response. This might as well be Chinese.

    Part of the deficit is the money owed to SS. You seem to be very confused.
    Weren't you just insisting there's a surplus?

    If their had been revenues for the Iraq war there would have been no need to borrow money from SS to pay for it.
    Did you just come up with that? That the SS surplus paid for the Iraq war?

    How can I possibly argue with someone who just makes it all up every post?

    We do have a contract. That is what the Social Security program is.
    NOPE! Completely wrong.

    As I explained above, the working class pays for the SS program,
    No, everyone pays the tax and everyone receives SS benefits. It is mostly PAYGO except that because of our deficits we have to borrow significantly to cover the SS liability.

    and the tax cuts to the wealthy is what created the debt in the first place.
    Unbelievable. I'm done. This is futile.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What American lives did the $2 trillion dollar war in Iraq save? From what I've read it cost us almost 5,000 American lives and tens of thousand wounded and maimed for life.

    We spend almost a Trillion dollars a year on the military when we could spend 3/4 less and still spend more than the next top spender on military.
    You just ignore the millions of people oppressed under Saddam? The 10's of thousands of people he mercilessly slaughtered? The US had a means to stop him. To help protect those people. Are you really so heartless that you'd like to see an entire nation of people suffering to save a few dollars.

    Money isnt everything. There is no better use for money than helping to free people living under those conditions.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    You just ignore the millions of people oppressed under Saddam?
    You mean as opposed to the millions of people that were oppressed when we were his ally, or as opposed to the millions of people that are oppressed under the new corrupt regime.

    The 10's of thousands of people he mercilessly slaughtered? The US had a means to stop him. To help protect those people. Are you really so heartless that you'd like to see an entire nation of people suffering to save a few dollars.

    Money isnt everything. There is no better use for money than helping to free people living under those conditions.
    We were his ally then, and US companies even provided him with the precursor for the Mustard gas he used.
    But that was different, Iraq had not nationalized their oil and kicked out the western oil companies. Funny, how things changed after that, eh?
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    My favorite part of the discovery that you made all on your own and posted that ended the discussion - "trust fund reserves are exhausted in 2036"
    Here's my favorite part:

    We’ll start with the basic numbers. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office issued its most recent projections for Social Security’s income and outgo Jan. 26, along with its twice-yearly "Budget and Economic Outlook." What those numbers show is that Social Security ran a $37 billion deficit last year, is projected to run a $45 billion deficit this year, and more red ink every year thereafter.
    Look up ad hominem to see what you just did.
    Look up "biased source".

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    You just ignore the millions of people oppressed under Saddam? The 10's of thousands of people he mercilessly slaughtered?
    So when he was the U.S. "buddy", what did the U.S. do to help those millions of people oppressed under Saddam?

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You mean as opposed to the millions of people that were oppressed when we were his ally, or as opposed to the millions of people that are oppressed under the new corrupt regime.



    We were his ally then, and US companies even provided him with the precursor for the Mustard gas he used.
    But that was different, Iraq had not nationalized their oil and kicked out the western oil companies. Funny, how things changed after that, eh?
    Are you insane? The US and Iraq have not been allies for quite some time dude. And regardless of the history that any two countries may or may not have it doesn't change anything. Saddam needed to be removed from power. And if this new regime is just as bad or worse then the US government should be held to blame for pulling out and not completing what they went in their to do. The United States has a means to stop these things from happening. People are being tortured at the hands of some of these governments. I believe freedom, not just freedom for Americans, is worth more than money.

    And are you really justifying Iraq's use of mustard gas? That is sick. You need help. But I guess you are one of those who thinks humanity ends at America's borders and the rest of the world deserves to suffer.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So when he was the U.S. "buddy", what did the U.S. do to help those millions of people oppressed under Saddam?
    Well if the US didnt do anything in 1974 I suppose that justifies ignoring anything that ever happens their. No flaws in that reasoning. It's disgusting that you people put the value of money above the value of life.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Well if the US didnt do anything in 1974 I suppose that justifies ignoring anything that ever happens their. No flaws in that reasoning. It's disgusting that you people put the value of money above the value of life.

    No, what's disgusting is that the U.S. supports dictators at ANY point and time or does business with them. Also, what about the millions who are slaughtered in Africa under dictators? Where is your concern there. What about the millions that have died and are suffering under North Korea's regime? Where is your concern there.

    Simply put there were other more horrible places that the U.S. could have actually done some good, but it wasn't "profitable" enough for the U.S.

    Whether you like it or not, U.S. interest and money play the part in who gets saved and who doesn't.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No, what's disgusting is that the U.S. supports dictators at ANY point and time or does business with them. Also, what about the millions who are slaughtered in Africa under dictators? Where is your concern there. What about the millions that have died and are suffering under North Korea's regime? Where is your concern there.

    Simply put there were other more horrible places that the U.S. could have actually done some good, but it wasn't "profitable" enough for the U.S.

    Whether you like it or not, U.S. interest and money play the part in who gets saved and who doesn't.
    Or a bunch of people would throw hissy fits and protest the war if the US tried to get involved in either of those places. Sadly our politicians are more worried about reelections than they are doing what's right.

    Your assuming I don't have concern with what's happening in Africa, or North Korea but you could not be further from wrong. I would fully support the US removing these governments.


    And now your claiming that going into Iraq was profitable for the US? You can't really think that.

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