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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How has the US honored its debts in the past?
    As I stated.

    Than don't you think the responsible thing to do would be to quit the excessive military spending and tax cuts to the rich that created the deficit?
    We could do that, but it doesn't result in cash on hand, because our deficits are already too deep. It just makes the year's deficit smaller, but it does not replace the squandered surplus.

    If I let you borrow a $1,000 of mine, and you blow it and most of your own money on drugs, am I the one responsible because you can't pay your bills.

    That is exactly the case you are trying to make here and there is just no logic with your position.
    When the government spends the SS surplus and says "thanks, we owe ya," what that really means is "you owe ya.". Government only "pays us back" by taking it from us (again) first. Not such a good deal.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    As I stated.
    Yep, same as we have throughout our history!



    We could do that, but it doesn't result in cash on hand, because our deficits are already too deep. It just makes the year's deficit smaller, but it does not replace the squandered surplus.
    Nope, not at all, just eliminating the tax cuts for the wealthy will cover their debt to SS.



    When the government spends the SS surplus and says "thanks, we owe ya," what that really means is "you owe ya.". Government only "pays us back" by taking it from us (again) first. Not such a good deal.


    Are you one of the 1% that averaged a $66,000 tax break annually from the Bush Tax cuts for the last 10 years, that necessitated the government borrowing from SS? If not, you would not be affected much by the elimination of the Bush tax cuts to the wealthy that created the debt to SS.

    And please answer this question that you did not answer before, because this gets to the heart of the issue:

    If I let you borrow a $1,000 of mine, and you blow it and most of your own money on drugs, am I the one responsible because you can't pay your bills?
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    It's not just one side who doesn't compromise. It is politicians in general.
    No the Democrats have said they are willing to both cut spending and increase taxes. The GOP will only agree to one but not the other, no compromise.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No the Democrats have said they are willing to both cut spending and increase taxes. The GOP will only agree to one but not the other, no compromise.
    Both sides say they are willing and neither side actually does it. It's a bunch of bi-partisan finger pointing bs. Your just gullible enough to buy into it. The democrats have you right where they want you. Blindly believing in everything they do and always blaming the other side.

    American politics at its finest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yep, same as we have throughout our history!
    You're not getting it. Our taxes created the surplus, which was squandered. We would have to be taxed AGAIN to replace it. The money doesn't come from anywhere else but us.

    Nope, not at all, just eliminating the tax cuts for the wealthy will cover their debt to SS.
    My god you are so confused.

    Doing those things reduces the deficit, but does not replace the SS surplus that no longer exists.

    Are you one of the 1% that averaged a $66,000 tax break annually from the Bush Tax cuts for the last 10 years, that necessitated the government borrowing from SS?
    Nothing necessitated robbing SS, are you kidding me?

    If not, you would not be affected much by the elimination of the Bush tax cuts to the wealthy that created the debt to SS.
    You are unabashedly making **** up. This is absurd.

    And please answer this question that you did not answer before, because this gets to the heart of the issue:

    If I let you borrow a $1,000 of mine, and you blow it and most of your own money on drugs, am I the one responsible because you can't pay your bills?
    In the case of a private contract, no, I am. But if "government owes us" $1000, it charges it to OUR collective credit card. We have to pay ourselves back when government squanders our money.

    Please tell me you can grasp this simple simple concept.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Both sides say they are willing and neither side actually does it. It's a bunch of bi-partisan finger pointing bs. Your just gullible enough to buy into it. The democrats have you right where they want you. Blindly believing in everything they do and always blaming the other side.

    American politics at its finest.
    The Democrats have made spending cuts and proposed others including our most wasteful spending, the military. What tax cuts have the other side proposed???
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Democrats have made spending cuts and proposed others including our most wasteful spending, the military. What tax cuts have the other side proposed???
    Why exactly is the military our most wasteful spending? Protecting our country is a bigger waste than the majority of things our government blows money on? You can't be serious.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    You're not getting it. Our taxes created the surplus, which was squandered. We would have to be taxed AGAIN to replace it. The money doesn't come from anywhere else but us.
    The working class created the SS surplus as they pay 90% of payroll taxes. The top 1% pay virtually no payroll taxes. So eliminating the tax cuts to the 1%, who got their tax increases at the expense of the SS and the working class that built up the surplus would not be taxing them again. They would simply be repaying their debt.



    Doing those things reduces the deficit, but does not replace the SS surplus that no longer exists.
    Part of the deficit is the money owed to SS. You seem to be very confused.



    Nothing necessitated robbing SS, are you kidding me?
    If their had been revenues for the Iraq war there would have been no need to borrow money from SS to pay for it.



    In the case of a private contract, no, I am. But if "government owes us" $1000, it charges it to OUR collective credit card. We have to pay ourselves back when government squanders our money.
    We do have a contract. That is what the Social Security program is. And you are not paying yourself back. As I explained above, the working class pays for the SS program, and the tax cuts to the wealthy is what created the debt in the first place.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Why exactly is the military our most wasteful spending? Protecting our country is a bigger waste than the majority of things our government blows money on? You can't be serious.
    Because we waste more money on it than any other program. For the last decade we have spent almost as much as the rest of the world combined on the military/industrial complex. Tell me what other US program that we spend as much as the rest of the world combined on???
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Because we waste more money on it than any other program. For the last decade we have spent almost as much as the rest of the world on the military/industrial complex. Tell me what other US program that we spend as much as the rest of the world on???
    The key term there is waste. I believe American lives are worth protecting. I would not risk the lives or safety of Americans, or any nationality for that matter to save some money. That is a rediculous idea.

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