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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    They are still IOUs.




    If we taxed the "rich" at 100%, it wouldn't come close to paying Obama's blooming debt.



    Don't believe the SS Trust Fund Trustees, eh?





    Tax cuts are a drop in the bucket compared to of SS and Medicare.
    and cutting ss and medicare won't pay for the debt either. the solution has to put everything on the table, including taxing the rich. why can't you people ever compromise?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Nope, read every bit of it. Where do you think those funds are coming from ??? The U.S. has to borrow money to pay back the trust fund, so it is robbing Peter to pay Paul.

    That's a general fund problem, not a Social Security problem. And they wouldn't have to borrow money to repay their debt to SS, they can simply eliminate the tax cuts that required them to borrow the money from SS in the first place.


    Is the new conservative principle that the US should just start acting irresponsible by walking away from its debts. We've never done that in our history, but the conservatives think that is what the US should start doing?
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    and cutting ss and medicare won't pay for the debt either. the solution has to put everything on the table, including taxing the rich. why can't you people ever compromise?
    Please quote my comment that I am unwilling to compromise.

    Apology accepted in advance.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's a general fund problem, not a Social Security problem. And they wouldn't have to borrow money to repay their debt to SS, they can simply eliminate the tax cuts that required them to borrow the money from SS in the first place.


    Is the new conservative principle that the US should just start acting irresponsible by walking away from its debts. We've never done that in our history, but the conservatives think that is what the US should start doing?
    Really? Since you seem to be an expert on the tax cut, post the amount of money that will be saved by eliminating the Bush tax cuts vs the debt owed to social security.

    Don't forget the portion of the Bush tax cuts that went to low income earners.

    Where the hell did you dream up the idea that I was advocating walking away from any debt ????

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Really? Since you seem to be an expert on the tax cut, post the amount of money that will be saved by eliminating the Bush tax cuts vs the debt owed to social security.

    Don't forget the portion of the Bush tax cuts that went to low income earners.

    Where the hell did you dream up the idea that I was advocating walking away from any debt ????
    Since you've lost the debate on the SS Trust Funds, you wish to move onto another subject? Very well, here you go:

    Tax Cuts For Wealthy Americans Cost Treasury $11.6 Million Every Hour: Report

    "Tax cuts for America’s top earners are costing everyone, every hour of every day, a new report from the National Priorities Project finds.

    Tax cuts for the wealthiest five percent of Americans cost the U.S. Treasury $11.6 million every hour, according to the National Priorities Project. America’s top earners will get an average tax cut of $66,384 in 2011, while the bottom 20 percent will get an average cut of $107."

    Tax Cuts For Wealthy Americans Cost Treasury $11.6 Million Every Hour: Report
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Since you've lost the debate on the SS Trust Funds, you wish to move onto another subject? Very well, here you go:

    Tax Cuts For Wealthy Americans Cost Treasury $11.6 Million Every Hour: Report

    "Tax cuts for America’s top earners are costing everyone, every hour of every day, a new report from the National Priorities Project finds.

    Tax cuts for the wealthiest five percent of Americans cost the U.S. Treasury $11.6 million every hour, according to the National Priorities Project. America’s top earners will get an average tax cut of $66,384 in 2011, while the bottom 20 percent will get an average cut of $107."

    Tax Cuts For Wealthy Americans Cost Treasury $11.6 Million Every Hour: Report
    I think I've presented more than enough evidence on the SS issue. If you choose not to believe the Congressional Budget Office, the SS trustees, and FactCheck, that's your problem.

    Ahh yes, the Huffington-Puffington Post. Can I post a story from Free Republic now ???

    Your Huffy article is based on information from the National Priorities Project. Here's a Wike description of them:

    The National Priorities Project (NPP) is a think tank and advocacy group that provides research designed to influence U.S. federal spending priorities. Identified as "liberal" and "progressive," the group has been highly critical of U.S. spending on the Iraq War and has attempted to draw attention to how such budget items as military spending and "tax cuts for the richest 10%" could translate into spending on categories such as renewable energy, "public safety officers, schools or health care coverage."
    Nuff said.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I think I've presented more than enough evidence on the SS issue. If you choose not to believe the Congressional Budget Office, the SS trustees, and FactCheck, that's your problem.
    My favorite part of the discovery that you made all on your own and posted that ended the discussion - "trust fund reserves are exhausted in 2036"

    Ahh yes, the Huffington-Puffington Post. Can I post a story from Free Republic now ???
    Look up ad hominem to see what you just did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    In Treasury Bonds. The safest investment there is. The US has never in its history failed to honor its Treasury Bonds.
    How would it honor them? Either taxing us (yet again) or by issuing new debt.

    There is no need to borrow more to pay them, just eliminate the tax cuts on the rich that prevents the US from paying its debts.
    Even with your same old same old ideas, that doesn't solve the issue. We're still running deficits, so we still need to issue new debts or re-tax.

    The general fund has a debt problem. SS has a 2.6 trillion dollar surplus.
    There's no surplus when it's all debt. When will you get this through your head?

    Than we have to once again start acting responsible and cut our excessive military spending and tax cuts to the wealthy that created the debt to SS and start paying it back.
    Did you read my post? Read it again. This gets us a little closer but not close enough. We need to go deeper.

    When did people start thinking that it wasn't irresponsible to just walk away from your debts???
    When they noticed that it gets them re-elected by partisans like you.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    How would it honor them? Either taxing us (yet again) or by issuing new debt.
    How has the US honored its debts in the past?



    Even with your same old same old ideas, that doesn't solve the issue. We're still running deficits, so we still need to issue new debts or re-tax.
    Than don't you think the responsible thing to do would be to quit the excessive military spending and tax cuts to the rich that created the deficit?




    There's no surplus when it's all debt. When will you get this through your head?

    If I let you borrow a $1,000 of mine, and you blow it and most of your own money on drugs, am I the one responsible because you can't pay your bills.

    That is exactly the case you are trying to make here and there is just no logic with your position.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    and cutting ss and medicare won't pay for the debt either. the solution has to put everything on the table, including taxing the rich. why can't you people ever compromise?
    It's not just one side who doesn't compromise. It is politicians in general.

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