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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

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    Bull****!





    False! It's been proven false with authenticated government information and not hot air!

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    Some senior Democrats are claiming that Social Security does not contribute "one penny" to the federal deficit. That’s not true. The fact is, the federal government had to borrow $37 billion last year to finance Social Security, and will need to borrow more this year. The red ink is projected to total well over half a trillion dollars in the coming decade.

    President Barack Obama was closer to the mark than some of his Democratic allies when he said that Social Security is "not the huge contributor to the deficit that [Medicare and Medicaid] are." That’s correct: Medicare and Medicaid consume more borrowed funds than Social Security, and their costs are growing more rapidly. But Obama’s own budget director, Jacob Lew, was misleading when he wrote recently that "Social Security benefits are entirely self-financing." That’s not true, except in a very narrow, legalistic sense, and doesn’t change the fact that Social Security is now a small but growing drain on the government’s finances.
    FactCheck.org : Democrats Deny Social Security’s Red Ink

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    If you want facts, use government reports on the budget.

    http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy09/pdf/hist.pdf

    See where it says authenticated government information on the first page? See where Off-Budget started when Social Security began?

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary View Post
    If you want facts, use government reports on the budget.

    http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy09/pdf/hist.pdf

    See where it says authenticated government information on the first page? See where Off-Budget started when Social Security began?
    FY09

    We're in 2012.

    You lose. Again.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    FY09

    We're in 2012.

    You lose. Again.
    Who made the FY09 budget?

    You lost because you support the Republican nonsense that caused these bad economic times. There isn't a deficit in Social Security, even with millions out of work and not paying into it. If you want to fund the government, do things to make the economy better and not the Republican way of making it worse!

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary View Post
    Who made the FY09 budget?

    You lost because you support the Republican nonsense that caused these bad economic times. There isn't a deficit in Social Security, even with millions out of work and not paying into it. If you want to fund the government, do things to make the economy better and not the Republican way of making it worse!
    Ahh you've devolved into hyper-partisan blathering.

    Here's a hint, we haven't had a budget since.. what 2006? the Dem's control the Senate, and refuse to pass one. You can blame the Republicans all you want, but they don't hold that power. In fact, in FY09 the DEMS had the House and the SENATE. And still failed to pass a budget.

    But back to the issue you are running scared from, because you were proved wrong in all aspects... SS, Medicare and Medicaide are in fact, huge drains on the budget, and are in the red. There is no surplus for any of them. Welcome to reality, you lose.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Ahh you've devolved into hyper-partisan blathering.

    Here's a hint, we haven't had a budget since.. what 2006? the Dem's control the Senate, and refuse to pass one. You can blame the Republicans all you want, but they don't hold that power. In fact, in FY09 the DEMS had the House and the SENATE. And still failed to pass a budget.

    But back to the issue you are running scared from, because you were proved wrong in all aspects... SS, Medicare and Medicaide are in fact, huge drains on the budget, and are in the red. There is no surplus for any of them. Welcome to reality, you lose.
    The President submits the budgets to Congress. You had 8 years of Republicans controlling the government, all they did was turn a surplus into a deficit and didn't even create jobs in the process. Who is on the bottom of the list, since WWII, for annual jobs creation? George W. Bush!

    Jobs created during U.S. presidential terms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Bush managed to fight two wars and still not make jobs. Bush managed to have the stock market decline when he was President.

    Your Republican policies don't work.

    SS, Medicare and Medicaide are in fact, huge drains on the budget
    SS and Medicare are Off-Budget and have surpluses. Medicaid is just like a corporate subsidy, because we have a system that allows the rich to profit off of health care and that makes our health care system cost twice what it should. Medicaid has nothing to do with Off-Budget surpluses, so why are you bringing it into that discussion? The people who get Medicare and SS have paid for it. Do you have any idea how much money is in the SS trust fund?

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary View Post
    The President submits the budgets to Congress. You had 8 years of Republicans controlling the government, all they did was turn a surplus into a deficit and didn't even create jobs in the process. Who is on the bottom of the list, since WWII, for annual jobs creation? George W. Bush!

    Jobs created during U.S. presidential terms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Bush managed to fight two wars and still not make jobs. Bush managed to have the stock market decline when he was President.

    Your Republican policies don't work.



    SS and Medicare are Off-Budget and have surpluses. Medicaid is just like a corporate subsidy, because we have a system that allows the rich to profit off of health care and that makes our health care system cost twice what it should. Medicaid has nothing to do with Off-Budget surpluses, so why are you bringing it into that discussion? The people who get Medicare and SS have paid for it. Do you have any idea how much money is in the SS trust fund?
    It's kinda hard discussing reality with someone who doesn't also reside in reality.

    the President "submits" a budget, which must then pass the House, then the Senate and then back to the President for approval.

    (Here's a hint, there was never a surplus, and SS, Medicare and medicaide require massive borrowing to fund each year. You really have no idea wtf you are talking about)


    I've concluded from these discussions that you are either someone pretending to be a hyper-partisan left winger for ****s and grins... or you are so far hyper-partisan that you aren't worth the effort to respond too.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's kinda hard discussing reality with someone who doesn't also reside in reality.

    the President "submits" a budget, which must then pass the House, then the Senate and then back to the President for approval.

    (Here's a hint, there was never a surplus, and SS, Medicare and medicaide require massive borrowing to fund each year. You really have no idea wtf you are talking about)


    I've concluded from these discussions that you are either someone pretending to be a hyper-partisan left winger for ****s and grins... or you are so far hyper-partisan that you aren't worth the effort to respond too.
    Your payroll taxes aren't for Medicaid. They're for SS and Medicare. By this time of the year, they would have a very good idea of what was recieved for payroll taxes and what was sent out for Social Security. There may be some lag in settling all the Medicare accounts, the figures for 2011 are estimates. The Off-Budget figures for 2010 should be known. Other On-Budget items wouldn't be known, so they keep the budget an estimate until everything is known.

    If you want to prove those Off-Budget items are in deficit, you have to use a government source that deals with the budget and not some story by a right-wing blog!

    The Republicans are hungry for that $2.5 trillion SS trust fund.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary View Post
    Who made the FY09 budget?
    The Democrats who took over Congress Jan 2007. Why?
    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." - John Adams

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I support this.But I think wiring housing assistance money to the land lords bank account and the bank account of utility providers would save money.And instead of giving out food stamp cards why not something similar to wic vouchers?

    House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
    The House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed a bill that prohibits welfare recipients from using their government subsidy in strip clubs, liquor stores and casinos.
    The measure easily received the necessary support of two-thirds of House members, with 395 voting in favor and only 27 opposing.
    Hardly seems fair that Congressmen can spend their campaign funds in those very same places: strip clubs, liquor stores, and casinos.

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