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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Maybe I overreacted and if your comments were not meant to be insulting, I do apologize.

    I disagree with the ethnic thing though.
    The South may indeed be a different ethnic group.
    It fits the definition pretty well.
    You could call the people of the South an ethnic group based on linguistics or culture, but not a biological ethnic group. I've never met someone who didn't like a southern accent, but it's just human nature to find a different accent amusing.

    I once attending a large family reunion in Tampa of native Floridians. I was down there visiting a Marine Corps buddy, who became a Tampa Cop. Before joining the Marines, the guy had only been out of Florida to visit his Uncle's farm, just across the Georgia line. Everyone has an accent, but the Florida accent is definitely different than the regional southern accent, which is very similar from Georgia to Arkansas and on up to West Virginia and most of Virginia. A Texas accent is also different. Native Floridians have a strong southern identity, but once you get up into my Mid-Atlantic region, it isn't the case. You can find a few exceptions in Delaware and Maryland, but it tends to end in the Virginias, where people identify more with their state or nation than a southern heritage.



    U.S. Department of Labor - Wage and Hour Division (WHD) - Minimum Wage Laws in the States

    According to this data, of the dark red southern states, only North Carolina has a state minimum wage equal to the federal minimum wage. The other states often identified as being in the South have a minimum wage equal to the federal minimum wage, with the exception of Florida, which is higher. Georgia and Arkansas have a state minimum wage that is less than the federal, while, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee and South Carolina have no state minimum wage. North Carolina was making good economic progress, until hit with all this outsourcing of jobs. Like I pointed out, Virginia, Delaware and Maryland are 1st, 4th, and 5th in household income adjusted to the cost of living and Texas and Georgia are 12th and 18th. Missouri, which some consider a southern state is 23rd. So out of the 16 or 17 states that are considered southern, only 5 or 6 southern states have household incomes adjusted to the cost of living in the upper half. That means there are a lot of people in the South, who think they are so much better off than people in other states and they aren't. When you factor in their regressive state taxes, it's even worse.

    Household income in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So a person on foodstamps doesn't deserve crawfish? You have no idea what this persons normal spending habits are and yet you condemn em for buying what might have been a "splurge" the same as yours.

    I absolutely hate this mentality that if someone is on foodstamps/welfare then they shouldn't be allowed ANYTHING but the most basics of basics.
    I have issues when someone is telling me we need to increase the amount of foodstamps/welfare we give to people becuase they can't afford the "necessities" when at the same time they're enjoying what are essentially luxuries.

    Now, that said, if people want to buy things like crawfish or nice fat porterhouse steaks or wants to buy all name brand food rather than the generic alternatives...more power to them. They're got to spend their money, even if its government assitance money, as they choose just like the rest of us do. However, don't expect me to have much sympathy when they turn around and say they need MORE money because they can't afford all the stuff they need.

    When I was fresh out of college trying to live off $24k a year in one of the most expensive locations in the country, I bought generic brand cereal and chips not name brand. I bought giant bags of chicken and an occasional thin steak that had been out for a while so had coupons stuck to it for quick sale. Even if I wanted to indulge, I got a bottle of cheap liquor and some cheap soda to mix and used that for ages rather than going out to the bar weekly. Did it suck? Yeah. But I didn't have a lot of disposable income so it was either be frugal with my money and my choices to get the most of what I'd like, even if it wasn't exactly what I wanted, or get less of what I'd want but it be top end. I made a choice...they can make it too. But don't look to me saying you need MORE when you make a concious choice not to be frugal.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I support this.But I think wiring housing assistance money to the land lords bank account and the bank account of utility providers would save money.And instead of giving out food stamp cards why not something similar to wic vouchers?

    House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
    The House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed a bill that prohibits welfare recipients from using their government subsidy in strip clubs, liquor stores and casinos.
    The measure easily received the necessary support of two-thirds of House members, with 395 voting in favor and only 27 opposing.
    First, let me say I do like the notion of shifting safety net support away from giving cash or pseudo-cash and getting much of it in a "direct to provider" format. However, I do think ultimately the system can't work completely like that because of every day expenses that are too randomzied to truly account for. However, in theory I like it.

    Second, as to the IDEA behind this legislation...I can understand it. You're getting government assistance, you shouldn't be spending that government assistance on non-essential items like liquor or strippers.

    Third, as to actually pushing this. Pointless, dumb, and a waste of our time/money. How are you possibly going to enforce this? If its with man power of any kind, what is the actual financial benefit of his compared to what we'd spend to enforce it. Is this anything other than a hollow, pointless emotional show? If so, why are you wasting our time and tax money on this rather then things that will actually benefit the country?

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The biggest fraud, in terms of numbers, that I believe to be true, is the false household status.

    Where an unmarried couple with children, who make more than the EBT threshold, falsely claims the size of the household to receive benefits.
    Usually means that the woman, files as single, with children and no other household members.
    If the couple is not married and the man has no child support order, then the man in the household has no duty to support the woman or any children for which paternity has not been established. Any money he contributes toward their care is a gift and can be withdrawn legally at any time. Therefore, the single mother is allowed to claim herself and her dependents as a separate household. The same applies if she is living with a relative or a stranger with whom no romantic relationship exists.

    I personally don't agree with this part of the SNAP program, but it is in place so a woman using it is not committing fraud.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    I'd like to clear up another misconception I'm seeing in this thread - things like rental assistance, utility assistance, etc. are paid directly to the vendors, not to the recipients. This has been the case for at least forty years. This is why those wishing to rent property they own must be registered and approved by the government program to receive the rental assistance payments. The housing rented cannot belong to a first degree relative - so parents cannot go buy a house, rent it to their child and let the government make the payment via rental assistance.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    First, let me say I do like the notion of shifting safety net support away from giving cash or pseudo-cash and getting much of it in a "direct to provider" format. However, I do think ultimately the system can't work completely like that because of every day expenses that are too randomzied to truly account for. However, in theory I like it.

    Second, as to the IDEA behind this legislation...I can understand it. You're getting government assistance, you shouldn't be spending that government assistance on non-essential items like liquor or strippers.

    Third, as to actually pushing this. Pointless, dumb, and a waste of our time/money. How are you possibly going to enforce this? If its with man power of any kind, what is the actual financial benefit of his compared to what we'd spend to enforce it. Is this anything other than a hollow, pointless emotional show? If so, why are you wasting our time and tax money on this rather then things that will actually benefit the country
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    Most of the food stamp and welfare is in the form of a debit or credit card.So shouldn't it be easy to see what atm machine and the location of that atm machine is of where that withdrawal was made?
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Dont they have to prove the number of people in the household?
    Every person in an FS household must have an SS# (has to provide proof for SS - either the card or a printout from SS verifying the info) and this is checked against SS records for accuracy and to determine if wages are being earned under that SS number that are not being reported. The SS #s are also used to assure that a person is not drawing benefits in more that one state.

    Who is in the household is really hard to verify unless the family is living in public housing or is on rental assistance. For instance, say a parent with a child(ren) says she and her child(ren) are living with a friend and applies for FS while the child(ren) is actually living with grandparents or the other parent. If the household that actually has the child(ren) is not drawing benefits for the child, then this will likely not be discovered.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Most of the food stamp and welfare is in the form of a debit or credit card.So shouldn't it be easy to see what atm machine and the location of that atm machine is of where that withdrawal was made?
    Granted I'm not exactly up to speed on the ins and outs of strip joints, but I thought Cash was the name of the game in those places, not credit cards?

    If there is a way to easily block the debit card from being used at specific retailers designated as off limits, I wouldn't have a huge issue with it. But if there's any kind of actual expense or time invested in it I don't see much use since it'd be easy to get around...go to an ATM and get it in cash (which to my understanding is doable).

    I just wonder/worry if this is one of those situations where the act trying to see that tax payer funds are used in a more worth while manner will actually cost the tax payers more tha nit saves.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Granted I'm not exactly up to speed on the ins and outs of strip joints, but I thought Cash was the name of the game in those places, not credit cards?
    Not sure if they have these in those strip joints, but in Nevada we have credit card ATMs which bascically let you use credit card and get cash out (at higher fees). For instance a $100.00 withdrawl using your credit card, will charge you a $40 fee.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When my exwife an I first got married and I was just an E-5 in the Army and she wasn't working, we were at Ft. Polk. One Saturday night, we decided to splurge and go buy 15 pounds of boiled crawfish. To most of you that doesn't sound like a big deal, but crawfish is a delicacy and it's not cheap--15 LBS.s runs about 40 bucks and that sounds like a lot, but it's not.

    Anyway...while I was waiting, a dude came in and bought 60 pounds of live crawfish--uncooked--and I-be-damned if he didn't whip out a welfare card to pay for it. I was so damn mad I could have knocked the rest of his teeth out of his mouth.
    Yeah...this happens. Honestly the problem is generally with meats. Crablegs/Shrimp/Steaks/Certain Fish. Honestly some meats should be labeled as "luxury" and off limits to purchase with a Foodstamp card.
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