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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You made a broad personal attack about Southerners using the regional accent and then proceeded to call Southerns stupid.
    I find it ironic that, you use regional bigotry and prejudice, but then call another stupid.
    Not to mention it's hate speech.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Really! What has changed are the effects being felt from the last decade of supply side economics, deregulation, and the open class war expressed by conservatives since the 2010 election when they made clear their plans to cut benefits to the middle class and the poor to provide even more tax cuts for the rich.

    And its already changed. More than I ever thought possible given the dire economic condition fighting two wars and with the worst congress in history. We didn't continue to spiral into another Great Depression as was likely thanks to the stimulus the GOP opposed. And we have created more manufacturing jobs than under any of the last 4 presidents. We have withdrawn all troops from Iraq. Both McCain and Romney said they would have left them there. We are drawing down the troops from Afghanistan, to have them all out by the end of next year. Both McCain and Romney said it was too quick. We passed the first baby step toward UHC, Romney says he will undo health care reform. We have made the largest investment in clean energy in our history, and made the biggest reduction in CO2 in our history, while Romney's not sure yet if he believes in climate change. The middle class has received two tax reductions, while Romney plans to cut tax rates for the rich even further, and increase taxes for those under $40,000.

    That just a few of our accomplishments off the top of my head, and that was done with the GOP requiring a super majority on almost every vote!
    There is not a doubt in my mind that we will be making the correct choice in November!
    How then do you explain what happened in the 2010 election? Those GOP who ran voiced the platform they you espouse and they won…if it was a modest gain it would be more understandable but it wasn’t, didn’t BHO call it a ‘shellacking’?

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When my exwife an I first got married and I was just an E-5 in the Army and she wasn't working, we were at Ft. Polk. One Saturday night, we decided to splurge and go buy 15 pounds of boiled crawfish. To most of you that doesn't sound like a big deal, but crawfish is a delicacy and it's not cheap--15 LBS.s runs about 40 bucks and that sounds like a lot, but it's not.

    Anyway...while I was waiting, a dude came in and bought 60 pounds of live crawfish--uncooked--and I-be-damned if he didn't whip out a welfare card to pay for it. I was so damn mad I could have knocked the rest of his teeth out of his mouth.
    ..and your point is? It seems that everyone that wants to indict the social safety net knows of one or two people that abuse the system. Yes, it happens. On the other hand, I employ several people that work very hard, take any open shift available, work more than one job and still need food stamps to make ends meet. There is my anecdotal evidence; certainly no more or no less valid than yours (though I bet, far more representative)...

    If we used abuse of the system as a standard than surely we should shut the defense department, as no department in Washington has more abuse and more expensive abuse than the defense department. In a press conference the day before 9/11, Donald Rumsfeld announced that the defense department was MISSING $1Trillion....
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I am proposing that able bodied people be required to work full time for a living wage as way for people to escape welfare. Isn't that what we should want?

    Do either of you feel that a roof over your head, food to eat, indoor plumbing, health insurance, transportation to work, and day care so both parents can work, are too much too ask in return for full time work?
    how many of us are homeless, starving, crapping outside? way too many have fallen thru cracks and crevices, usually of thier own making. If someone is trying their best, but is incapable of earning enough, we help them. we always have, for the most part. but too many are gaming the system. I know people worth half a million and getting a decent retirement who go stand in line for free commodities. They got there in a new Toyota Avalon.....
    there has to be accountability for those who are able to support themselves.
    Yes, today's recession is a new thing for most of us, but the sane among us are barely affected by it. One of the houses on my block was almost paid for, then they got a huge home equity loan, bought 2 brand new vehicles, and started a business. Then the market fell, the business failed, and they walked away from the house leaving it to the bank to deal with. The bankers SHOULD have been smarter, but they weren't.
    The taxpayers will be paying for this kind of stuff for a very long time.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    how many of us are homeless, starving, crapping outside? way too many have fallen thru cracks and crevices, usually of thier own making. If someone is trying their best, but is incapable of earning enough, we help them. we always have, for the most part. but too many are gaming the system. I know people worth half a million and getting a decent retirement who go stand in line for free commodities. They got there in a new Toyota Avalon.....
    there has to be accountability for those who are able to support themselves.
    Yes, today's recession is a new thing for most of us, but the sane among us are barely affected by it. One of the houses on my block was almost paid for, then they got a huge home equity loan, bought 2 brand new vehicles, and started a business. Then the market fell, the business failed, and they walked away from the house leaving it to the bank to deal with. The bankers SHOULD have been smarter, but they weren't.
    The taxpayers will be paying for this kind of stuff for a very long time.

    I posted this for you a couple pages back:

    Originally Posted by Catawba

    "Poverty in the United States

    The official poverty measure is published by the United States Census Bureau and shows that:

    In 2010, 46.9 million people were in poverty, up from 37.3 million in 2007 -- the fourth consecutive annual increase in the number of people in poverty . This is the largest number in the 52 years for which poverty rates have been published (DeNavas-Walt 2011, p. 14).

    The 2010 poverty rate was 15.1 percent, up from 12.5 percent in 1997. This is the highest poverty rate since 1993, but 7.3 percentage points lower than the poverty rate in 1959, the first year for poverty estimates. (DeNavas-Walt 2011, p. 14).

    The 2010 poverty rate for Hispanics was 26.6 percent, for Blacks 27.4 percent.
    In 2010, the poverty rate increased for children under age 18 from 20.7 percent to 22.0 percent. (DeNavas-Walt 2010 p. 14).

    20.5 million Americans live in extreme poverty. This means their family’s cash income is less than half of the poverty line, or about $10,000 a year for a family of four (DeNavas-Walt 2011, p. 19).

    49.9 million people or 16.3 percent of the American people, do not have medical insurance (DeNavas-Walt 2011, p. 23).


    "Minimum wage The United States enacts a minimum wage (as do some individual states) that tries to establish a floor for what can be paid as a wage by firms. The current minimum wage is $7.25 per hour. In 2008, the official U.S. poverty level for a family of 4 was $21,834 ( Census Bureau "Poverty Thresholds"). With a 40 hour week, a family of 4 with one minimum wage earner would earn $15,080, only 69 percent of the poverty level. The minimum wage level is not indexed to inflation, which means that the real benefits will be eroded by inflation."

    "One way the EITC reduces poverty is by supplementing the earnings of minimum-wage workers. At the minimum wage’s current level, such a family can move out of poverty only if it receives the EITC as well as food stamps (CBPP EITC.)"

    "Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF) In 1996, TANF replaced the Aid to Families with Dependent Children program, which had been in existence since 1935. The TANF program provides block grants to states to provide assistance to needy families. States have discretion on how to use the funds."

    "Lack of available child care can well keep single mothers from working as required"
    Hunger in America: 2011 United States Hunger and Poverty Facts
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    So no where did you show that, I don't support welfare for minimum wage workers.
    All that work for nothing.
    The hell I didn't! I am confident others can also see through the hypocrisy of your posts.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    How then do you explain what happened in the 2010 election? Those GOP who ran voiced the platform they you espouse and they won…if it was a modest gain it would be more understandable but it wasn’t, didn’t BHO call it a ‘shellacking’?
    People bought the hype right up to Ryan's budget plan when the GOP war plan was announced. I knew then the GOP had exposed their hand and doomed any possible win in November.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    People bought the hype right up to Ryan's budget plan when the GOP war plan was announced. I knew then the GOP had exposed their hand and doomed any possible win in November.
    And what precisely in 'Ryan's budget plan' has 'exposed their hand and doomed any possible win in November'?

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    And what precisely in 'Ryan's budget plan' has 'exposed their hand and doomed any possible win in November'?
    By going public with their plan of attack on medicare and SS benefits. They forgot seniors were the only demographic they carried in the last presidential election.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    By going public with their plan of attack on medicare and SS benefits. They forgot seniors were the only demographic they carried in the last presidential election.
    Ryan merely broke the ice on SS/Medicare, remember the Clinton comments about said action? Since then there have been bipartisan comments made about the requirement for 'modifications' to both SS and Medicare, even BHO has made some. I don't think this will be the GOP albatross you believe it is come November. And ultimately the actuaries have indicated that the current trajectories are unsustainable so whether you WANT to believe it or not SOMETHING must be done to protect/preserve the ‘safety net’.

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