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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Anti poverty programs work for some, but I have relatives who choose to be poor....that kind cannot be helped.
    It will take a culture shift to make a difference, and it could be that this recession, that hurt so many, will be the turning point.
    Welcome to the 1950's....
    Well, most people do not choose to be poor if there is an opportunity to make a living wage by working. I think that should be the policy rather than taxpayer supported welfare for ALL able bodied persons.

    The recession was cause by deregulation of the banking industry, again, not the fault of the working class.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    a living wage isn't likely to be an incentive....minimum wage that you can live on smacks of welfare....
    altho I would like to see minimum wage indexed to congressional pay.
    Working full time to make a living sounds like welfare to you???
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Working full time to make a living sounds like welfare to you???
    if the pay is too high, yes....
    artificially high pay via govt mandate is welfare....

    my brother gets almost $800 per month for doing nothing, and lives on it. He is considered 50% disabled by the VA for poor hearing.
    He does have a "house" that is paid for, inherited when our parents died.
    He pays no property taxes, just utilities, internet, telephone, gasoline, groceries.
    He isn't unable to work, just chooses not to, so it follows that he chooses to be poor.
    It is an attitude that many have, even much of the working poor. They can, but WON'T, do what is needed to make more money....
    When living in Idaho, 2 of my neighbors were bemoaning their low pay. I told them to apply at the INEL, they were hiring...but they didn't want to ride a bus for an hour to get to the job site, plus another hour to get back home.....most of us choose our situation, by lack of effort....
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    I grew up on welfare/food stamps. My mother would spend it on drugs and alcohol. Our cloths came from the goodwill store. Mom would send us out to raid peoples gardens and fruit trees. Most of the time we were lucky to have a pot of bone soup. By the time I was 14 my mother had me out breaking into cars,garages, and homes to steal what I could so she could sell it to buy drugs. Our home was a flop house for filthy hippies. I hated my life. I wanted to be like other kids. I blame my mother and the system that allowed her to be a slacker. Personally I believe that entitlement programs foster dependence on the government and should be eliminated. The only exception should be the disabled and some veterans. I escaped the life of my youth by joining the Army. For the first time I had structure and discipline. I am convinced that decision saved me from a life of crime, prison, or worse. If you want to help young people do whatever you can to help eliminate entitlement programs. Dependence on government is not the answer, I know, I lived it......SgtRock
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    if the pay is too high, yes....
    artificially high pay via govt mandate is welfare....

    my brother gets almost $800 per month for doing nothing, and lives on it. He is considered 50% disabled by the VA for poor hearing.
    He does have a "house" that is paid for, inherited when our parents died.
    He pays no property taxes, just utilities, internet, telephone, gasoline, groceries.
    He isn't unable to work, just chooses not to, so it follows that he chooses to be poor.
    It is an attitude that many have, even much of the working poor. They can, but WON'T, do what is needed to make more money....
    When living in Idaho, 2 of my neighbors were bemoaning their low pay. I told them to apply at the INEL, they were hiring...but they didn't want to ride a bus for an hour to get to the job site, plus another hour to get back home.....most of us choose our situation, by lack of effort....
    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    I grew up on welfare/food stamps. My mother would spend it on drugs and alcohol. Our cloths came from the goodwill store. Mom would send us out to raid peoples gardens and fruit trees. Most of the time we were lucky to have a pot of bone soup. By the time I was 14 my mother had me out breaking into cars,garages, and homes to steal what I could so she could sell it to buy drugs. Our home was a flop house for filthy hippies. I hated my life. I wanted to be like other kids. I blame my mother and the system that allowed her to be a slacker. Personally I believe that entitlement programs foster dependence on the government and should be eliminated. The only exception should be the disabled and some veterans. I escaped the life of my youth by joining the Army. For the first time I had structure and discipline. I am convinced that decision saved me from a life of crime, prison, or worse. If you want to help young people do whatever you can to help eliminate entitlement programs. Dependence on government is not the answer, I know, I lived it......SgtRock

    I am proposing that able bodied people be required to work full time for a living wage as way for people to escape welfare. Isn't that what we should want?

    Do either of you feel that a roof over your head, food to eat, indoor plumbing, health insurance, transportation to work, and day care so both parents can work, are too much too ask in return for full time work?
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I am proposing that able bodied people be required to work full time for a living wage as way for people to escape welfare. Isn't that what we should want?

    Do either of you feel that a roof over your head, food to eat, indoor plumbing, health insurance, transportation to work, and day care so both parents can work, are too much too ask in return for full time work?
    Here is the problem. If the government provides all those services to me why should I attain them for myself. Why should I work hard and improve my level of education if the government is providing what I need. Entitlements do not encourage people to improve their lot in life. They do just the opposite. In the former Soviet Union the people lacked the entrepreneurial spirit, the motivation and desire to achieve. Is that what you want for America. Our country is great because we have the ability to achieve great things. Things that are made posible under a capitalist society. Entitlements create apathy and laziness.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Here is the problem. If the government provides all those services to me why should I attain them for myself. Why should I work hard and improve my level of education if the government is providing what I need. Entitlements do not encourage people to improve their lot in life. They do just the opposite. In the former Soviet Union the people lacked the entrepreneurial spirit, the motivation and desire to achieve. Is that what you want for America. Our country is great because we have the ability to achieve great things. Things that are made posible under a capitalist society. Entitlements create apathy and laziness.
    All what services? I'm not talking about the government providing a god-damned thing for able bodied people. I am talking working for a living wage versus welfare.

    I prefer paying people to work rather than providing welfare, but that's just me.....................
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I am proposing that able bodied people be required to work full time for a living wage as way for people to escape welfare.
    Required to work? By whom?

    Do either of you feel that a roof over your head, food to eat, indoor plumbing, health insurance, transportation to work, and day care so both parents can work, are too much too ask in return for full time work?
    In some cases, absolutely yes, are you even serious with this question? If you pick lint out of my belly button full-time, then your wages will not cover all of those things. If the wages are federally forced to be artificially high for jobs that are extremely low skill, then those jobs will be automated and we'll end up with fewer actual human jobs in existence.

    You need to take a couple of economics courses and ask the professors and TAs questions like these. You have major gaps in your consequential thinking abilities with notions like these.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Required to work? By whom?
    Required by the government to work.



    In some cases, absolutely yes, are you even serious with this question? If you pick lint out of my belly button full-time, then your wages will not cover all of those things. If the wages are federally forced to be artificially high for jobs that are extremely low skill, then those jobs will be automated and we'll end up with fewer actual human jobs in existence.
    What is it with you and bad analogies??? Low skill jobs now have a minimum wage, in my area it would take about a buck more to make that a living wage. If you don't need unskilled labor for a full time job, you don't have to hire him. If you need unskilled labor, pay him a buck an hour more in wages so the rest of us don't have pay taxes to subsidize your business.

    You need to take a couple of economics courses and ask the professors and TAs questions like these. You have major gaps in your consequential thinking abilities with notions like these.
    What would you recommend, "How to **** the Poor 101?"
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    All what services? I'm not talking about the government providing a god-damned thing for able bodied people. I am talking working for a living wage versus welfare.

    I prefer paying people to work rather than providing welfare, but that's just me.....................
    Sorry Cat, think I misunderstood you. Here is the problem as I see it. Is it possible for corporations to be profitable and provide what you consider a living wage? That depends on what the standard of living is for employees. You also have to remember that America does not exist in a vacuum. We have to compete with the rest of the world. As employees in other countries wages and standard of living increase ours are decreasing. The middle class is vanishing in America. What can be done to reverse this. As it stands now America has the 2nd highest corporate tax rate in the world only behind Japan. Tax rates around the world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. If I start a company in America I pay a corporate tax rate of 38%. Then if I choose to invest my profits I pay an additional 15% capital gains tax on top of the corporate tax. I can also pay state corporate taxes as high as 12% depending on where I start my business. How can I compete with someone who starts a business in a country where corporate taxes are less than 20%? The current administration wants to increase taxes on corporations. This will effectivly drive another nail in the coffin of the middle class.
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