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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary View Post
    I've slept in GA too, and all the hick states along the east coast. I'm glad I come from a southern state that was a slave state, but sent more people to the Union Army than any other state. I'm glad I come from a stock of people like John Dickinson, who was a slave owner, married a Quaker, freed his slaves, became Governor of Pennsylvania after the Revolutionary War and started the tradition where our state had the largest amount of freed Blacks before the Civil War. People up here were a century ahead of the deep South and all you have to do is look at the economic stats to see it. When you adjust median houselhold income to the COL, Virginia, Maryland and Delaware are 1st, 4th and 5th in this country. Georgia is 18th and with Texas (12th) are the only southern states in the upper 25 states have the largest household income. Delaware has no sales tax and has a progressive income tax. We are also blessed by not having any Republican holding a major office for our state.

    I'm glad the people in the Mid-Atlantic region are wise enough to contribute to an economic system that is superior to the rest of our country.
    I don't appreciate that hick reference.
    Just because it's the south doesn't make it hick.

    It's actually what I consider a borderline racial pejorative.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Need based welfare is fine.

    An adult working full time, who can support themselves, doesn't need any type of state welfare.
    Thats the problem, minimum wage doesn't provide enough for support. That is why taxpayer funded welfare is required. You need to either pick full time work for a living wage, or welfare, you can't have your cake and eat it too while there are people that used to be middle class now living in poverty.

    "Poverty in the United States

    The official poverty measure is published by the United States Census Bureau and shows that:

    In 2010, 46.9 million people were in poverty, up from 37.3 million in 2007 -- the fourth consecutive annual increase in the number of people in poverty . This is the largest number in the 52 years for which poverty rates have been published (DeNavas-Walt 2011, p. 14).

    The 2010 poverty rate was 15.1 percent, up from 12.5 percent in 1997. This is the highest poverty rate since 1993, but 7.3 percentage points lower than the poverty rate in 1959, the first year for poverty estimates. (DeNavas-Walt 2011, p. 14).

    The 2010 poverty rate for Hispanics was 26.6 percent, for Blacks 27.4 percent.
    In 2010, the poverty rate increased for children under age 18 from 20.7 percent to 22.0 percent. (DeNavas-Walt 2010 p. 14).

    20.5 million Americans live in extreme poverty. This means their family’s cash income is less than half of the poverty line, or about $10,000 a year for a family of four (DeNavas-Walt 2011, p. 19).

    49.9 million people or 16.3 percent of the American people, do not have medical insurance (DeNavas-Walt 2011, p. 23).


    "Minimum wage The United States enacts a minimum wage (as do some individual states) that tries to establish a floor for what can be paid as a wage by firms. The current minimum wage is $7.25 per hour. In 2008, the official U.S. poverty level for a family of 4 was $21,834 ( Census Bureau "Poverty Thresholds"). With a 40 hour week, a family of 4 with one minimum wage earner would earn $15,080, only 69 percent of the poverty level. The minimum wage level is not indexed to inflation, which means that the real benefits will be eroded by inflation."

    "One way the EITC reduces poverty is by supplementing the earnings of minimum-wage workers. At the minimum wage’s current level, such a family can move out of poverty only if it receives the EITC as well as food stamps (CBPP EITC.)"

    "Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF) In 1996, TANF replaced the Aid to Families with Dependent Children program, which had been in existence since 1935. The TANF program provides block grants to states to provide assistance to needy families. States have discretion on how to use the funds."

    "Lack of available child care can well keep single mothers from working as required"
    Hunger in America: 2011 United States Hunger and Poverty Facts

    I'm just glad the Senate had the good sense to pan this bill.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thats the problem, minimum wage doesn't provide enough for support. That is why taxpayer funded welfare is required. You need to pick work for pay, or welfare, you can't have your cake and eat it too, while there people that used to be middle class living in poverty.
    Ummm, you never said minimum wage and I definitely said someone who can support themselves.
    So this is yet, another straw man.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Ummm, you never said minimum wage and I definitely said someone who can support themselves.
    So this is yet, another straw man.
    So you support a living wage as an alternative to welfare?
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you support a living wage as an alternative to welfare?
    Nope.
    There is no such thing, it's entirely subjective.

    But alas, when keep going in circles.
    You keep debating with a ghost or your just creating straw men and I'm posting out your continuous, dishonest debate tactics.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Nope.
    There is no such thing, it's entirely subjective.
    No, its not, we have federal guidelines that specify poverty level. You don't want people to be able to earn enough to support themselves and you don't want to provide welfare. What is another option???

    But alas, when keep going in circles.
    You keep debating with a ghost or your just creating straw men and I'm posting out your continuous, dishonest debate tactics.
    How do can I avoid going in circles in trying to keep up with your circular logic that you don't want to pay a living wage for someone to support their family and you don't want to pay welfare, leaving no way out for those on welfare.

    Look, you couldn't even say how much this would save, and I'm willing to bet you do not even know what the share of your taxes is for helping those in poverty.

    From the study I referenced before: "In 2010, 46.9 million people were in poverty, up from 37.3 million in 2007 -- the fourth consecutive annual increase in the number of people in poverty . This is the largest number in the 52 years for which poverty rates have been published (DeNavas-Walt 2011, p. 14)."

    You said earlier you believed in welfare based on need. The number of people needing welfare has increased each of the last four years, don't you think your taxes should have been increased each of the last 4 years to meet that need?
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you support a living wage as an alternative to welfare?
    Why do you want to hurt employment and keep people down economically. I've shown that a "living wage" harms the lowest fo the economic ladder, the ones you so want to help, and it holds back those tryign to move from min-wage to more money.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No, its not, we have federal guidelines that specify poverty level. You don't want people to be able to earn enough to support themselves and you don't want to provide welfare. What is another option???



    How do can I avoid going in circles in trying to keep up with your circular logic that you don't want to pay a living wage for someone to support their family and you don't want to pay welfare, leaving no way out for those on welfare.

    Look, you couldn't even say how much this would save, and I'm willing to bet you do not even know what the share of your taxes is for helping those in poverty.

    From the study I referenced before: "In 2010, 46.9 million people were in poverty, up from 37.3 million in 2007 -- the fourth consecutive annual increase in the number of people in poverty . This is the largest number in the 52 years for which poverty rates have been published (DeNavas-Walt 2011, p. 14)."

    You said earlier you believed in welfare based on need. The number of people needing welfare has increased each of the last four years, don't you think your taxes should have been increased each of the last 4 years to meet that need?
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Why do you want to hurt employment and keep people down economically.
    Why don't you show me where the national unemployment rates have tracked increases in minimum wage to prove your ridiculous claim?
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Did you, or did you not say you believed in welfare based on need?
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