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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You avoided it for the most part, every other time I asked.
    Insisting that I focus on the rich or how crappy republicans are.

    This time, you say the same stuff, + you don't care, if people misuse emergency resources for non emergency things.
    Just don't ever question another person's ethics, because the misuse of money in such a way, is unethical.
    "This is another example of setting policies based on attention-grabbing news stories with little connection to the underlying reality and that are designed to reinforce the 'unworthy poor' stereotype," said Elizabeth Lower-Basch, a senior analyst at the Center for Law and Social Policy, a progressive D.C. think tank. "There's no evidence that this is a widespread problem. And even when funds are withdrawn in those locations, it doesn't mean that people are gambling away their benefits."

    Welfare, formally known as the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program, supported about 1.8 million American families in 2011 each month, with benefits averaging just a few hundred dollars. Since the passage of welfare reform in 1996, recipient rolls have not risen to meet increased economic need. Caseloads increased just 14 percent during the recession that started in 2007 even as the unemployment rate nearly doubled, according to the Urban Institute.

    Lower-Basch called the bill an effort to "micromanage" a federal and state program that already gives states a lot of flexibility. Several states featured in news stories have already cracked down and ordered strip club and casino ATMs reprogrammed so they can not accept welfare debit cards, she noted."

    Republicans Aim To Ban Use Of Welfare Debit Cards At Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores

    I thought you used to be a states rights proponent??? Why do you wish now to grow the federal government to step on the states management of this?
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "This is another example of setting policies based on attention-grabbing news stories with little connection to the underlying reality and that are designed to reinforce the 'unworthy poor' stereotype," said Elizabeth Lower-Basch, a senior analyst at the Center for Law and Social Policy, a progressive D.C. think tank. "There's no evidence that this is a widespread problem. And even when funds are withdrawn in those locations, it doesn't mean that people are gambling away their benefits."

    Welfare, formally known as the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program, supported about 1.8 million American families in 2011 each month, with benefits averaging just a few hundred dollars. Since the passage of welfare reform in 1996, recipient rolls have not risen to meet increased economic need. Caseloads increased just 14 percent during the recession that started in 2007 even as the unemployment rate nearly doubled, according to the Urban Institute.

    Lower-Basch called the bill an effort to "micromanage" a federal and state program that already gives states a lot of flexibility. Several states featured in news stories have already cracked down and ordered strip club and casino ATMs reprogrammed so they can not accept welfare debit cards, she noted."

    Republicans Aim To Ban Use Of Welfare Debit Cards At Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores

    I thought you used to be a states rights proponent??? Why so you wish now to grow the federal government to step on the states management of this?
    I'm not explicitly a states rights proponent.
    I'm in favor of policy that makes at least some sense, specifically the ethical usage of government emergency funds.
    It shouldn't be used in places like this.

    You're trying to pigeon hole me, won't work.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm not explicitly a states rights proponent.
    I'm in favor of policy that makes at least some sense, specifically the ethical usage of government emergency funds.
    It shouldn't be used in places like this.

    You're trying to pigeon hole me, won't work.
    Believe me, the last thing I would ever want to do is pigeon hole Harry Guerrilla!!!

    You do realize that states already have the power to stop this and all but 8 states have stopped it?

    In the 1996 Welfare Reform, states were given the money in block grants to manage in a way most suited to their specific needs. Do you disagree with this approach?
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Believe me, the last thing I would ever want to do is pigeon hole Harry Guerrilla!!!
    Right, so you assume that because I favor states rights in some areas, I do in all areas.
    That's categorically pigeon holing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You do realize that states already have the power to stop this and all but 8 states have stopped it?

    In the 1996 Welfare Reform, states were given the money in block grants to manage in a way most suited to their specific needs. Do you disagree with this approach?
    Great, but the rest need to stop too and if it takes the feds to do it, I don't care.
    I really don't give a crap as long as the money goes to people who need it and it is used in the best way possible.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Great, but the rest need to stop too and if it takes the feds to do it, I don't care.
    I really don't give a crap as long as the money goes to people who need it and it is used in the best way possible.
    So you think administration of welfare in the states should go back to the federal government?
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you think administration of welfare in the states should go back to the federal government?
    Maybe in some cases and not in others.
    Depends.

    The feds don't tend to adjust payments and thresholds based on the localized rate of inflation or cost of living.
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Maybe in some cases and not in others.
    Depends.

    The feds don't tend to adjust payments and thresholds based on the localized rate of inflation or cost of living.
    And since 1996 the feds have not been telling the states how to administer welfare funds.

    Would you be opposed to new rules by the feds that would prevent unwed mothers from receiving welfare? Or to people with terminal illness? Or to people that work full-time, regardless of what they are being paid?
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    "Boustany's claims notwithstanding, there's little evidence pointing to widespread misuse of funds. The principal piece of evidence was this two-year-old Los Angeles Times article, which reported that some California casinos accepted TANF debit cards, but 0.4% of welfare funds went to gambling, and 0.001% went to "adult entertainment."

    Within days of the article's publication, California changed its standards for use of TANF funds and imposed the restrictions Congress is now seeking.

    With that in mind, why are GOP lawmakers in Washington bothering with this? Melissa Boteach had a terrific report, exploring this question in detail.

    With unemployment at 8.5 percent and more than one in three Americans struggling to get by on low incomes, do conservatives really believe that taxpayer dollars used for strip clubs, liquor stores, or casinos is a pressing national crisis? For most House conservatives, the answer is probably no. Do they see the political value of forcing such a vote in an election year? You bet!

    Putting politics above policy in this crass way is unfortunate and cynical. The Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, or TANF, program has experienced benefit cuts of more than 20 percent, after adjusting for inflation, even as the Great Recession and the slow economic recovery have caused elevated levels of unemployment and poverty. Many low-income workers on TANF are unable to access the child care they need to make work possible and ultimately end up spending nearly half their income on care for their children. Low-wage workers are constantly facing the threat of a layoff because more than 80 percent lack access to a single paid sick day to take care of themselves, a sick kid, or an elderly relative.

    And the big vote on TANF is about strip clubs?

    This vote represents yet another instance in the creeping trend of conservatives to demonize the poor -- and then threaten anyone who votes against the legislation with supporting "welfare spending" for strip club admissions. The tactic enables conservatives to imply that tough economic circumstances somehow make poor people delinquent and criminally inclined."


    The Maddow Blog - House GOP eyes 'welfare integrity'
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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Oh man, I used a source from Pen, but I don't live there.
    I'm in Ga.
    I've slept in GA too, and all the hick states along the east coast. I'm glad I come from a southern state that was a slave state, but sent more people to the Union Army than any other state. I'm glad I come from a stock of people like John Dickinson, who was a slave owner, married a Quaker, freed his slaves, became Governor of Pennsylvania after the Revolutionary War and started the tradition where our state had the largest amount of freed Blacks before the Civil War. People up here were a century ahead of the deep South and all you have to do is look at the economic stats to see it. When you adjust median houselhold income to the COL, Virginia, Maryland and Delaware are 1st, 4th and 5th in this country. Georgia is 18th and with Texas (12th) are the only southern states in the upper 25 states have the largest household income. Delaware has no sales tax and has a progressive income tax. We are also blessed by not having any Republican holding a major office for our state.

    I'm glad the people in the Mid-Atlantic region are wise enough to contribute to an economic system that is superior to the rest of our country.

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    Re: House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And since 1996 the feds have not been telling the states how to administer welfare funds.

    Would you be opposed to new rules by the feds that would prevent unwed mothers from receiving welfare? Or to people with terminal illness? Or to people that work full-time, regardless of what they are being paid?
    Need based welfare is fine.

    An adult working full time, who can support themselves, doesn't need any type of state welfare.
    Why are you asking these silly questions?
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