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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    There's nothing "desperate" or "obsessive" about demanding the resignation of a public official who has violated his oath of office, harmed the people he is responsible for protecting, and betrayed the founding principles of our nation.
    Too bad the Bush Administration is no longer in office.

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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

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    Bull****. They armed mafia with gernades and full autos. They funded choas in Mexico. What "they" say and their intentions mean diddly squat. Their actions is all that needs to be taken into consideration. They armed mafia in Mexico.
    Assuming your claims are accurate, you know the program began in 2006, right?

    So, do you want some Republican heads as well? Or are only Democratic heads on your menu?

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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    [...] How many murders, of law enforcement officers and innocent civilians, have happened as a direct result of known criminals being supplied military weapons by the government?
    In this particular case, none that you could ever prove in a court of law (other than some type of accessory or negligence charge)... the obvious logic being that if the U.S.-supplied guns had never been provided, guns from some other source would have been obtained and the murders would therefore have occurred regardless.

    As the right is prone to say, guns don't kill people -- people kill people

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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Assuming your claims are accurate, you know the program began in 2006, right?

    So, do you want some Republican heads as well? Or are only Democratic heads on your menu?
    I dont give a **** what team they where cheering for, what side they where on. If they did wrong I want them punished.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    In this particular case, none that you could ever prove in a court of law (other than some type of accessory or negligence charge)... the obvious logic being that if the U.S.-supplied guns had never been provided, guns from some other source would have been obtained and the murders would therefore have occurred regardless.

    As the right is prone to say, guns don't kill people -- people kill people
    That philosophical deduction is all fine and dandy. But I still care about conspiracy and collusion.
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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky, replying to AdamT View Post
    So in other words are you saying you and people like you don't care about Holder's incompentence and possible cover up that resulted in a border agent's death and his grieving family?
    In other words, most people don't care about conspiracy theories that are manufactured to support a partisan witch hunt, that may well be fueled by racism.

    I think that hits the high points

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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's just like Solyndra. No one but wingnuts cared about it, and even they forgot about it once they heard about FnF. It won't be long before some new imagined misdeed captures their ADD-addled brains and FnF will be forgotten
    No, Issa is going to chew on this bone until his teeth wear out; he obviously envisions an opportunity to take the Obama administration down on the back of the agent's dead body. Pretty despicable, yes, but Issa seems to have somewhat of a history in that area.

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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    In other words, most people don't care about conspiracy theories that are manufactured to support a partisan witch hunt, that may well be fueled by racism.

    I think that hits the high points
    Conspiracy is something that exsist in the real world. Its not just a lambasting tactic for figure heads on the news.

    Just type in conspiracy conviction or charged with conspiracy. People actually conspire and sometimes it has nothing to do with tinfoil.
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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    In other words, most people don't care about conspiracy theories that are manufactured to support a partisan witch hunt, that may well be fueled by racism.

    I think that hits the high points
    You are alleging that this is a conspiracy theory manufactured to support a partisan witch hunt fueled by racism? Do you have any itty bitty bit of data to support any of that?

    Facts: Someone knowingly allowed a few thousand weapons to be carried across the border, in fact insisted on making law abiding gun dealers go along with the plan.
    To the best of my knowledge, no one has started this witch hunt because of someone's race.
    Many have stated here that if this is indeed the result of Bush actions, then that is the head, or heads, that should roll.

    Since the powers that be would like nothing better than to blame this on someone, anyone, other than themselves, it should follow that the documents that Holder refuses to turn over as requested legally by Congress point in only one of two directions, and that is either toward himself or up. All the administration has to do to put this thing to rest is produce valid documents.

    Surely the administration is aware that if Issa and Bush walk away with their tails tucked between their legs that Obama gains 10 points in the polls. On the other hand, if the administration is found guilty, then the Republicans have the White House. Hence, the stonewalling on the documents.

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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    No, Issa is going to chew on this bone until his teeth wear out; he obviously envisions an opportunity to take the Obama administration down on the back of the agent's dead body. Pretty despicable, yes, but Issa seems to have somewhat of a history in that area.
    In other words, most people don't care about conspiracy theories that are manufactured to support a partisan witch hunt, that may well be fueled by racism. I think that hits the high points
    Charges of racism dont deflect from actual wrongdoing.

    Too bad the Bush Administration is no longer in office.

    If you find someone else who meets your criteria, give us a shout
    BOOOOSHHHHH. Cmon. Nice try for a derail.

    Assuming your claims are accurate, you know the program began in 2006, right?

    So, do you want some Republican heads as well? Or are only Democratic heads on your menu?
    Hmmm thats interesting, and wrong. Even Holder doesnt agree with you :P

    Holder contradicts Bush did it too.wmv - YouTube!

    In this particular case, none that you could ever prove in a court of law (other than some type of accessory or negligence charge)... the obvious logic being that if the U.S.-supplied guns had never been provided, guns from some other source would have been obtained and the murders would therefore have occurred regardless.

    As the right is prone to say, guns don't kill people -- people kill people
    We dont have to prove it in a court of law, the standard Holder is facing is that of a Federal Official testifying before congress. Impeachment is both a political and law based process. We have laws prohibiting guns from going to known criminals and trafficking in arms, youre against that now? Secondly, you dont make it easier for criminals to commit armed crime. Using your logic I could argue that a drug dealer is innocent because someone else will deal eventually anyway. Terrible logic. Even further that isnt burden of proof. You arent eliminated from wrongdoing by a someone else would do it defense. I dont think Brian Terry's parents would buy that defense either.

    So from Karl we got a deflect, a BOOOOSHHH, a second BOOOOSHHH, the Race Card, and a logical progression that ignores the wrongdoing involved.

    Well, Ive got to think this is pretty bad for Holder, Liberals are doing whatever they can to change the subject.
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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

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