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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Huh? I have no idea what you're talking about. One, it was not illegal. Two, it did not compromise domestic security. Three, the good intention was to try to shut down the flow of illegal arms to Mexican drug cartels that, of course, ultimately peddle their drugs in the United States.
    If you have no idea what Viktyr Korimir was talking about then you should not involve yourself in this discussion.

    Apart from a border agent being murdered by these weapons it is estimated that over 200 Mexicans have also been killed by these same weapons as well.

    One, it was illegal. Two, it obviously did compromise domestic security as an American border guard was murdered with these weapons.

    How can they be shutting down the flow of illegal weapons when they are actually contributing to the flow?

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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    It violated federal and international arms-trafficking laws. They deliberately supplied arms to criminal organizations.



    I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that you actually believe this. I think that was a lie from your mouth. How many murders, of law enforcement officers and innocent civilians, have happened as a direct result of known criminals being supplied military weapons by the government?

    I'm as pro-gun as it gets, and I've got no problem with private citizens owning AK-47s, but I want legal AK-47s for everyone-- this idea that peaceful law-abiding citizens are deprived of their lawful and moral right to own military weapons offends me, but the same government that restricts this freedom then helping criminal organizations obtain those weapons is Grade A bull****.



    Sure it was. That's adorable.
    Wow, I never would have guessed that you're a pro-gun nut.

    So let's go over this again. One, it was not illegal. It was a sanctioned law enforcement sting operation. Not a day goes by that LEOs don't sell drugs in order to catch drug dealers, even though selling drugs is obviously illegal ... when it isn't undertaken by law enforcement to stop drug selling.

    In this case the Feds didn't supply anything that the cartels couldn't have obtained anyway. That's why they undertook the operation to begin with; the cartels were already obtaining weapons from the U.S. by the truck load. The idea was to track and eliminate the source of the existing, illegal gun trade -- to build a chain of evidence to prosecute in-place distributor networks.

    Like most pro-gun folks, you are so blinded by your fear of gun control that you can't even remotely view the facts objectively.

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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Wow, I never would have guessed that you're a pro-gun nut.

    So let's go over this again. One, it was not illegal. It was a sanctioned law enforcement sting operation. Not a day goes by that LEOs don't sell drugs in order to catch drug dealers, even though selling drugs is obviously illegal ... when it isn't undertaken by law enforcement to stop drug selling.

    In this case the Feds didn't supply anything that the cartels couldn't have obtained anyway. That's why they undertook the operation to begin with; the cartels were already obtaining weapons from the U.S. by the truck load. The idea was to track and eliminate the source of the existing, illegal gun trade -- to build a chain of evidence to prosecute in-place distributor networks.

    Like most pro-gun folks, you are so blinded by your fear of gun control that you can't even remotely view the facts objectively.
    None of that BS matters. The excuses are excuses. They gave guns to killers. Then the killers killed. Just because the wrong doing was wearing a badge or seemed "official" doesnt mean it wasnt wrong. No matter what way you want to hash it and what excuses you CHOOSE to get behind they gave weapons to killers. And they killed. This isnt a case of "Oops, we messed up. Alls well that ends well." This has no end-well, happy ending because people have already died. America got caught selling weapons. Thats all there is to it.
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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I assure you that the only people laughing, or paying the slightest bit of attention to this issue, are hardcore conservatives. No one else gives a **** about it.
    You mean that you don't give a **** that the DOJ launched an operation, that resulted in the murders of American citizens, then the AG lied about his knowledge of it, under oath?

    I reckon party loyalty does trump all.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Wow, I never would have guessed that you're a pro-gun nut.

    So let's go over this again. One, it was not illegal. It was a sanctioned law enforcement sting operation. Not a day goes by that LEOs don't sell drugs in order to catch drug dealers, even though selling drugs is obviously illegal ... when it isn't undertaken by law enforcement to stop drug selling.

    In this case the Feds didn't supply anything that the cartels couldn't have obtained anyway. That's why they undertook the operation to begin with; the cartels were already obtaining weapons from the U.S. by the truck load. The idea was to track and eliminate the source of the existing, illegal gun trade -- to build a chain of evidence to prosecute in-place distributor networks.

    Like most pro-gun folks, you are so blinded by your fear of gun control that you can't even remotely view the facts objectively.
    People who want to defend their constitutional rights are nuts?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, it was a blunder that was being used to further an agenda within the WH concerning the 2nd amendment, and it backfired, now there is a cover up, and you defend this crap...


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    Well please by all mean show us this slam-dunk proof you have of a cover up? Or should I just get my waders on for the BS you're going to spew out.

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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    People who want to defend their constitutional rights are nuts?
    Yep. Death cult zealots martyring an overrated right.

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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well please by all mean show us this slam-dunk proof you have of a cover up? Or should I just get my waders on for the BS you're going to spew out.
    Sure. No sweat, bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Yep. Death cult zealots martyring an overrated right.

    The right to keep and arm bears?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    If Holder is so called guilty, then go through procedings and if enough evidence go to a trial.

    What I find so double-standard is there are billions that are unaccounted for in Iraq during the Bush administation that could very well be funding Al-Qaeda and don't here a peep anymore from conservatives about that anymore.

    Conservatives: Ooops we lost billions that could be funding terrorism, OH WELL.

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