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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    You should try to avoid kook blogs if you want the truth.
    Um the information is lifted from here :
    PJ Media » Gunwalker: Justice Dept. Violated U.S. Laws Beyond Those Being Investigated

    Look at their front page and the columnists there, some big voices for conservativism on the net.

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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Based on the July 5, 2010, memo to Eric Holder, it would appear that Fast and Furious facilitated the delivery of weapons to — at a minimum — the Sinaloa cartel in Mexico.
    So what happened Karl, did Holder forget to read the memo?

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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    So what happened Karl, did Holder forget to read the memo?
    Produce the memo, then I will address your question.

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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Produce the memo, then I will address your question.

    Puhleeze...Like this is the first you've heard of this memo.... Funny how you progressives all of the sudden get severe amnesia when crap like this is clearly out there, and been reported for some time, then you want all kinds of proof, and calls for your opponents on these boards to begin a never ending excercise in time wasting in order to prove something to you, as if you hold the difinitive word on anything.


    What a joke.


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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    Based on the July 5, 2010, memo to Eric Holder, it would appear that Fast and Furious facilitated the delivery of weapons to — at a minimum — the Sinaloa cartel in Mexico.
    So what happened Karl, did Holder forget to read the memo?
    Produce the memo, then I will address your question.
    ATF Fast and Furious: New documents show Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed in July 2010 - CBS News Investigates - CBS News
    As expected, the memo does not support your claim: "it would appear that Fast and Furious facilitated the delivery of weapons to — at a minimum — the Sinaloa cartel in Mexico".

    In fact, all the 17 page memo says (in two places) about the case is:



    So, based upon the facts (now that we have them), my questions to you are:

    1. Where does the memo state that Fast and Furious "facilitated the delivery" of any weapons?

    2. Where does the memo even explain exactly what Fast and Furious is?

    3. Will you continue to unquestioningly believe everything you read at Pajamas Media?
    Last edited by Karl; 02-07-12 at 04:08 PM.

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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Anything short of an outright admission, will only bring more spin....I am LOVIN' this more open and transparent administration....


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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    As expected, the memo does not support your claim: "it would appear that Fast and Furious facilitated the delivery of weapons to — at a minimum — the Sinaloa cartel in Mexico".

    In fact, all the 17 page memo says (in two places) about the case is:





    So, based upon the facts (now that we have them), my questions to you are:

    1. Where does the memo state that Fast and Furious "facilitated the delivery" of any weapons?

    2. Where does the memo even explain exactly what Fast and Furious is?
    What are you blind or illiterate ? Right on the 2nd sentence of the memo states about the trafficking of firearms. And as head of DOJ it's Holder's job to know exactly what Fast & Furious is about prior, during and after.

    There's no way you can be that dense from being blinded by your partisan. If that's the case, then I am utterly convinced that Liberalism is a mental disorder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    3. Will you continue to unquestioningly believe everything you read at Pajamas Media?
    Being an independent, I read and research from BOTH sides of the media and Eric Holder's hands are filthy dirty.
    Last edited by Sparky; 02-08-12 at 01:16 PM.

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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Tucson DEA Chief | Eric Holder | Gun-Walking | The Daily Caller

    Former Tucson Drug Enforcement Administration chief Tony Coulson told The Daily Caller that Attorney General Eric Holder either knew guns were walking during Operation Fast and Furious, or should have known about the deadly practice.

    “[Fast and Furious] was driven locally and it was driven from Arizona, from the ground up, I mean it was not much oversight,” Coulson said in a phone interview. “And, I mean, I can only speak to the reporting, but people all the way up to the attorney general knew what was going on.”

    Coulson, who ran the DEA’s Tucson office during Fast and Furious’ implementation, told TheDC he learned that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives was letting guns walk back in 2009 or 2010. He said he learned this from people who were working in the Phoenix Immigration and Customs Enforcement office. He didn’t know it was called “Fast and Furious,” but said it was widely known guns were walking.

    “Nothing that [ATF] was doing was running into what we were doing at DEA from the Tucson level,” Coulson said. “Now, Phoenix was a little bit different. They were, their targets kept running into DEA cases and I think that was reported out of the House letter last week. But in Tucson, we weren’t running into them. How I became aware of it was through Immigration and Customs Enforcement.”

    “At the time, [ATF’s] boss here, Bill Newell, was the face and the voice of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms,” Coulson added. “If you go back during this time, he’s the one who’s on every major national news station. He’s talking about weapons in Mexico. You know, he was the voice of ATF. I mean, he was driving ATF’s policy. There was very little oversight at the time from anyone on what was going on. I became aware of it because ICE interceded on more than one occasion to seize weapons at the port of entry that ATF was trying to walk into Mexico.”

    ICE falls under the Department of Homeland Security, and with the news that Holder hasn’t discussed Fast and Furious with its Secretary Janet Napolitano or Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, there are likely to be new questions into what, if anything, those cabinet officials were told of Fast and Furious.


    Read more: Tucson DEA Chief | Eric Holder | Gun-Walking | The Daily Caller
    So maybe Napolitano and Clinton knew about it, too. Keep that maybe in mind, because we just dont know, DoJ, ATF etc havent exactly been forthcoming with documents.

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    Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Anything short of an outright admission, will only bring more spin....I am LOVIN' this more open and transparent administration....


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