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Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

Re: Park ranger shoots man with stun gun for walking dogs off-leash

This makes me wonder why park rangers need to carry tasers.
 
Re: Park ranger shoots man with stun gun for walking dogs off-leash

She arrested him for walking dogs off their leash, she tazed him for not complying, and resisting arrest.
 
Re: Park ranger shoots man with stun gun for walking dogs off-leash

Arrested for walking your dog off leash?
 
There may be more to this story but there is never a scenario where someone should be detained for improperly walking their dogs.
 
Re: Park ranger shoots man with stun gun for walking dogs off-leash

Some people gotta learn the hard way that crime doesn't pay.
 
I wish someone who says this would tell me what other action a LEO should take if someone doesn't comply with a lawful order...
If the suspect in question is not a threat then the best course would be continued surveillance and a radio call for back-up - especially if you haven't dotted all your I's and crossed all your T's. In this case simply telling him why he was being detained may have solved the problem, though.


On a side-note, I don't like the idea of following an unlawful order from a cop - but where I grew up you did what a cop told you, lawful or not, as long as the request wasn't illegal (like putting that bag of drugs into my pocket). Why? Because chances are he'll try to add more charges to the list if you give him any grief - and he's more likely to remember your face in the future. Like it or not, LEO's have a huge amount of discretion when it comes to law enforcement. No reason to antagonize them if you can avoid it.

Nowadays I treat them like they're doing their job and try to put myself in their place. On a traffic stop I keep both hands in plain sight and my car is already shut off by the time they're walking up to it. A lot of cops get shot during traffic stops, they've got plenty of reason to be wary. I want them to be as calm and relaxed as possible - no muss, no fuss. They've got a job to do so let's get it over with and we can both move on.
 
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You know, whether this guy was lying or not, this is clearly an excessive use of force. I think the ranger should go through tasering for a solid 10 minutes for this.

When a LEO tells you to "Jump" you ask "How High?" ON THE WAY UP. If you choose not to, I have absolutely no sympathy for anything that happens to you. When you give that LEO a false name, address, etc.... you get even LESS sympathy from me. Hell, in her place I'd probably have SHOT the SOB rather than tasering him.
 
I would wager heavily that the man is going to get an apology and the ranger is going to get reprimanded or fired.

Which is 180 degrees to what SHOULD happen. His ass should be headed to jail for failing to follow a lawful command of an LEO.
 
No it's not, if the cop wants to stop me, they better have a damn good reason too. And why are you assuming the person who got tazzed was being an ass? You've got no evidence to make that claim. And from the article, the officer had no reason to detain him other than he was walking, and that's not a reason.

He failed to comply with a Lawful and Direct Order. So far as I'm concerned that's sufficient reason to SHOOT him, nevermind taze him.
 
You taser someone when they are being violent or resisting arrest. You don't taser them as a matter of compliance.

I totally disagree. Tasering him was probably a better move than using a steel baton on his knees to ensure he didn't walk away, wouldn't you say?


In America, one does not have the right to walk around without your papers.

Nor should you have. A former roommate of mine got picked up by the police for failing to have any ID on him. Of course he was being stupid at the time, but they were set to let him walk away with a warning until he didn't have any ID on him.


There may be more to this story but there is never a scenario where someone should be detained for improperly walking their dogs.

100% disagree. DON'T DO THE CRIME IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME.
 
When a LEO tells you to "Jump" you ask "How High?" ON THE WAY UP. If you choose not to, I have absolutely no sympathy for anything that happens to you. When you give that LEO a false name, address, etc.... you get even LESS sympathy from me. Hell, in her place I'd probably have SHOT the SOB rather than tasering him.

Wow you would make a good slave. Good to know.
 
Wow you would make a good slave. Good to know.

I was taught respect for authority, regardless. You do what you're told by the cop and adjudicate it later if necessary. We would all be a lot better off if more people had been taught proper respect for authority figures.
 
You're out of the conversation because you're defending the ranger merely because she's a woman. You have zero credibility. I have just lost a ton of respect for you.

Good to hear, American. If you want to chime in on a thread, try to make it relevant. It's a lot more fun.

THERE WAS NO LAWFUL ORDER.

A “lawful order” would have included some rational attempt at an explanation as to why the subject was being detained, and why he should comply.

An officer of the law does not have the authority to just stop and harass anyone at random with no cause.

He was breaking a leash law. Big whoop! But he refused to give his name and, apparently, walked away. Would you have the same gut reaction if he was found to be wanted on a warrant for murder, as an example?

Deciding whether or not to escalate the situation is always a choice.

This should get a few dozen "Likes." Yes, I totally agree.

If the suspect in question is not a threat then the best course would be continued surveillance and a radio call for back-up - especially if you haven't dotted all your I's and crossed all your T's. In this case simply telling him why he was being detained may have solved the problem, though.

Completely agree.
 
I was taught respect for authority, regardless. You do what you're told by the cop and adjudicate it later if necessary. We would all be a lot better off if more people had been taught proper respect for authority figures.

Good to know, unlike you I am not a dog though that obeys at the sound of a whistle. Again, glad you are.

EDIT: Respect is a two way street. If an officer is respectful towards me and when I ask "why am I being detained" and they give me the answer, then I will respect the office.

If however, in this instance, the officer repeatedly (allegedly) did not let the man know why he is being detained, the officer showed no respect so no respect should have been given to the officer.
 
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I'm the first to criticize officers who abuse or misuse their authority, but I'm just not seeing it in this incident. The guy was walking his dogs off leash which is against the law. The ranger approached him about that violation. I'm guessing she asked his name and was intending on giving him a citation. To which he responded with what was probably an obviously false name and tried to walk away. The ranger told him to stop, he refused and she tazed him. The reason he was being detained is obvious he broke the law twice - walking his dogs off leash and then giving a false name. And then a third time when he tried to leave.

We have laws and those laws must be enforced. Notice how the word force is in there, all laws are ultimately backed up by the threat of force. People here are saying it was wrong to taze him just for walking his dogs off leash, and if it went down like "Hey you're walking your dogs off leash, you can't do that anymore. Now eat tazer, bitch!" then I would agree. But he chose to escalate what was probably essentially a parking ticket into something much more serious. He didn't get tazed for walking dogs off leash. That was just the inciting incident for this little scene. He gave an officer a false name and then tried to leave. Was she supposed to say screw it, and let him walk away? And as for wrestling him to the ground, that's far more likely to injury the officer or the perp. How many of you would be calling for blood if she inadvertantly broke his arm in the scuffle? Tazers are a safer way for both the officer and the subject to subdue a subject who refuses to comply. They hurt like hell, but they rarely do any lasting damage.
 
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Good to know, unlike you I am not a dog though that obeys at the sound of a whistle. Again, glad you are.

Then you are part of the BIGGEST PROBLEM with this society, so far as I'm concerned.

Respect is a two way street. If an officer is respectful towards me and when I ask "why am I being detained" and they give me the answer, then I will respect the office.

If however, in this instance, the officer repeatedly (allegedly) did not let the man know why he is being detained, the officer showed no respect so no respect should have been given to the officer.

You respect the badge/office. You may not respect the individual officer. You may not even like the officer. However, you damn well ought to be respecting the badge and the office. As I said, you do what you're told, and file the complaint afterwards if necessary. Otherwise, you get exactly what you deserve so far as I'm concerned. Whether it's a smack in the head, a shock, or two rounds in the chest.
 
Then you are part of the BIGGEST PROBLEM with this society, so far as I'm concerned.

Aww I thought it was those gays you dislike that are part of the BIGGEST PROBLEM with this society. Well if you think I'm wrong, I guess I'm actually right.

You respect the badge/office. You may not respect the individual officer. You may not even like the officer. However, you damn well ought to be respecting the badge and the office. As I said, you do what you're told, and file the complaint afterwards if necessary. Otherwise, you get exactly what you deserve so far as I'm concerned. Whether it's a smack in the head, a shock, or two rounds in the chest.

And in this case, the ranger will most likely get reprimanded or fired while the guy is able to successfuly sue and win.

Bottom line, if you want respect you damn well better give it. Don't like it, tough.
 
Aww I thought it was those gays you dislike that are part of the BIGGEST PROBLEM with this society. Well if you think I'm wrong, I guess I'm actually right.

No. They're not the biggest problem. People like you are.

And in this case, the ranger will most likely get reprimanded or fired while the guy is able to successfuly sue and win.

Bottom line, if you want respect you damn well better give it. Don't like it, tough.

Then maybe the next Ranger will do the smart thing and just cap the guy instead of Tasering him. Dead men file no lawsuits and their relatives have a hard time proving exactly what happened if they weren't there at the time.
 
I'm the first to criticize officers who abuse or misuse their authority, but I'm just not seeing it in this incident. The guy was walking his dogs off leash which is against the law. The ranger approached him about that violation. I'm guessing she asked his name and was intending on giving him a citation. To which he responded with what was probably an obviously false name and tried to walk away. The ranger told him to stop, he refused and she tazed him. The reason he was being detained is obvious he broke the law twice - walking his dogs off leash and then giving a false name. And then a third time when he tried to leave.

WHat should have happened. We can only go off what is known. Maybe this had happened 4-5 times already and the guy ignored it. But.........it is noted that this used to be a place that you could walk your dogs without anyone bothering you.

Officer: Excuse me sir, I know that you likely walked your dogs here before but the laws have changed and you will need to use a leash from now on.

That's it. There is no need to know the guys name or see his I.D. If there has been issues in the past that would be one thing. That is not known though.

We have laws and those laws must be enforced. Notice how the word force is in there, all laws are ultimately backed up by the threat of force. People here are saying it was wrong to taze him just for walking his dogs off leash, and if it went down like "Hey you're walking your dogs off leash, you can't do that anymore. Now eat tazer, bitch!" then I would agree. But he chose to escalate what was probably essentially a parking ticket into something much more serious. He didn't get tazed for walking dogs off leash. That was just the inciting incident for this little scene. He gave an officer a false name and then tried to leave. Was she supposed to say screw it, and let him walk away? And as for wrestling him to the ground, that's far more likely to injury the officer or the perp. How many of you would be calling for blood if she inadvertantly broke his arm in the scuffle? Tazers are a safer way for both the officer and the subject to subdue a subject who refuses to comply. They hurt like hell, but they rarely do any lasting damage.[/QUOTE]
 
Seems their encounter escalated to the point where the ranger was going to issue a citation. The guy refused to give his name. He knew why he was being detained. He attempted to leave the scene. The officer is still on duty. Park ranger used Taser on man over unleashed dog: authorities - NY Daily News

It'd be interested to know how this resolved. Unfortunately, we usually don't find out as it fades into the background and quietly goes away. At any rate, I'm thinking this guy got a good lesson on why it doesn't pay to be a jerk.
 
I was taught respect for authority, regardless. You do what you're told by the cop and adjudicate it later if necessary. We would all be a lot better off if more people had been taught proper respect for authority figures.

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Simply for the South Park reference.... Welcome to the Ignore List.

Oh my gosh, how will I ever survive? :2rofll:
 
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