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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Anyone who wilfully disobeys an armed law officer in the execution of her duty, deserves whatever comes his way.
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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Additional information. Looks even worse for this ranger if the eye witness is correct:

    According to a Montara resident who witnessed the confrontation in the Rancho Corral de Tierra open space area on Sunday afternoon, a female ranger had detained the dog owner for walking his two small dogs without a leash.


    "The man she was citing had already leashed his dogs and provided her all his personal information," Michelle Babcock said in a statement.


    "The park ranger was very rude and told him he could not leave until she heard from her base," she said. According to Babcock, the dog owner repeatedly asked why he was being detained, and eventually told the ranger to cite him or he was going to walk away.


    "He started to walk away and she told him that she would Tase him if he walked another step," she said. The man turned and the ranger deployed her Taser, causing the man to fall to the ground, Babcock said. "She had taken out her Taser and she was pointing at him. He said 'Ma'am, I have a bad heart. You know if you Tase me, it could be life threatening," Babcock told KTVU. "And she didn't say anything. All we hear was almost like a gunshot. Like a pop. And then he just fell right on his back."
    Officials to review ranger's use of Taser on man walking dogs... | www.ktvu.com

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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    When a LEO tells you to "Jump" you ask "How High?" ON THE WAY UP.
    Law enforcement officers do not have the legal or moral authority to arbitrarily detain, restrain, command, or otherwise impede people. Mindless obedience to authority figures is cowardly and idiotic.

    If you choose not to, I have absolutely no sympathy for anything that happens to you. When you give that LEO a false name, address, etc.... you get even LESS sympathy from me. Hell, in her place I'd probably have SHOT the SOB rather than tasering him.
    You'd have shot him? That's insane.

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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Additional information. Looks even worse for this ranger if the eye witness is correct:


    Officials to review ranger's use of Taser on man walking dogs... | www.ktvu.com
    With that witness her carreer is toast. Hope she likes being a mall guard with no tazer.
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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post
    Law enforcement officers do not have the legal or moral authority to arbitrarily detain, restrain, command, or otherwise impede people.
    Which is part of the reason our country is headed down the toilet faster than the Titanic found the bottom of the North Atlantic.

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    Mindless obedience to authority figures is cowardly and idiotic.
    It's also the basis of the form of Government (Authoritarianism) that I prefer.

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    You'd have shot him? That's insane.
    Very likely I would have. What's insane is giving false information to a LEO and then expecting you're just going to be allowed to walk away.

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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Which is part of the reason our country is headed down the toilet faster than the Titanic found the bottom of the North Atlantic.



    It's also the basis of the form of Government (Authoritarianism) that I prefer.



    Very likely I would have. What's insane is giving false information to a LEO and then expecting you're just going to be allowed to walk away.
    If you are willing to shoot an unarmed person in the back I hope someone takes your guns away (if you have any) very soon.

    Cops aren't allowed to shoot unarmed people that pose no threat. Even if they run. If this was allowed then crooked cops would have tons of make believe oppurtunities to just blast people away.

    If a crooked cop wants to shoot an innocent person they need to do it the old fassion way. Confescate a non-registered/stolen gun from a gang member. Shoot the innocent person then place the planted weapon in their dead hands.
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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    We managed to detain people before the invention of tasers.
    Often by clubbing the non-compliant

    I prefer the non-lethal taser
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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
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    THERE WAS NO LAWFUL ORDER.

    A “lawful order” would have included some rational attempt at an explanation as to why the subject was being detained, and why he should comply.

    An officer of the law does not have the authority to just stop and harass anyone at random with no cause.
    He was breaking a leash law. Big whoop! But he refused to give his name and, apparently, walked away. Would you have the same gut reaction if he was found to be wanted on a warrant for murder, as an example?
    If the officer had had probable cause to believe that he was a wanted murderer, then this would have been an entirely different situation than what it otherwise appears to be. Still, the cop would have had to state why she was detaining him.

    But you don't have any reason to believe that the dog-walker in this situation was a wanted murderer, do you? You don't have any reason to believe that, at the start of the incident, he was guilty of anything more than a minor leash-law violation, right?

    So there's no point in even bringing up the “what if he was a wanted murderer?” point. Anybody could potentially be a wanted murderer. This doesn't give law enforcement officers the authority to stop every person they meet, and detain them long enough to determine whether or not they are wanted for anything. An officer has no authority to detain anyone that they don't have sufficient reason to believe is involved in a crime.
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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    THERE WAS NO LAWFUL ORDER.

    A “lawful order” would have included some rational attempt at an explanation as to why the subject was being detained, and why he should comply.

    An officer of the law does not have the authority to just stop and harass anyone at random with no cause.
    There was a lawful order. She told the man to not leave and she had cause to stop the man (ie the leashless dogs)
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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Cops aren't allowed to shoot unarmed people that pose no threat.

    But they are allowed to use violence to force compliance with a lawful order

    Even if they run.
    Not true. Depending on the situation, the police can shoot at an unarmed civilian who is running away
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