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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If it's a copper saying it, it's good enough for me. It was good enough when my dad said it, too. Mom? Not-so-much.



    He probably answered "Mickey Mouse" when she asked his name. Why do people have to be such smart asses? Just let the officer do her job, for God's sake. They're your next-door neighbors...your kids friends' parents...
    Everyone isn't you though. I try to always do the right thing. (I've given back things I've stolen and flat out admitted lies due to guilt)

    One time I went to a store and a friend of mine stole from the hobby store. I felt so bad I went back later and compensated the owner and told him the downlow. (although I wouldnt be the type to get my friend in trouble)

    I do try to do what I think is right over what people command me to do. As a matter of fact, if someone commands me to do something most of the carbon in me screams, "DISOBEY!!!"

    Im not gloating. Im just telling you why I wouldnt listen to a cops orders if I thought they where wrong.

    I remember one time I came home from a loooooooooong day at work. I drove up and a cop had someone pulled over right in the center of the street. Pulled over 2 mean looking mexicans, pointing the guns? A scared looking white dude and lady. They stood there blocking my parking entrance for a LONG time. The cops never once approached the car. Cops started looking at me like, "What in the hell is this guys problem. We have guns pointed in his general direction."

    They just stood there pointing there guns at these 2 mexicans for a very, very long time. I finally got fed up and just slowly drove past. Even the mexicans where looking at me funny. I just put on the stupidest, cheese smile I could muster. Then when I got to the cops I drew a look of frustration upon my face then started looking for spot.

    I look behind me and lo and behold. The situation appears to be diffused and the cops are talking to the mexicans with their weapons holstered.

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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    No it's not, if the cop wants to stop me, they better have a damn good reason too. And why are you assuming the person who got tazzed was being an ass? You've got no evidence to make that claim.
    Refusing to give your name to a police officer = ASS.

    I wish you well on the street with your thought that you have to agree with the copper that it's a good reason in order for him to legally detain you.

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Everyone isn't you though. I try to always do the right thing. (I've given back things I've stolen and flat out admitted lies due to guilt) As a matter of fact, if someone commands me to do something most of the carbon in me screams, "DISOBEY!!!"
    I love that line!!! And I think it's true of most people who question police authority. Funny. My what you might describe as "passive ways" have served me well. Never been arrrested. Usually don't get ticketed when I get stopped though I've deserved them. The few incidents I have with LEO have been courteous and pleasant...with me feeling that they were protecting me, my neighborhood, and those who live in it.
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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, it does seem excessive. But what should she have done to detain him? Or should she have just let him go? We are a nation that lives by the rule of law. If a copper detains you, you listen. If you don't? Well, I guess sometimes you get tazed. No sympathy here.
    We managed to detain people before the invention of tasers.

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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Refusing to give your name to a police officer = ASS.

    I wish you well on the street with your thought that you have to agree with the copper that it's a good reason in order for him to legally detain you.
    Not really. And I'm not saying I have to agree with it, I'm saying if someone does nothing wrong, and a cop tries to detain them anyway, that is ****ed up. And an abuse of power.
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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    If you've ever been hit with a taser you'd be a fountain of information. I'd tell them my credit card number to not get lit up. They over use those things but it's still better than a .40SW to the knee cap.
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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

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    You know, whether this guy was lying or not, this is clearly an excessive use of force. I think the ranger should go through tasering for a solid 10 minutes for this.
    Why did he give a false name? Why was it an issue that his dogs were off a leash - it seems they were following him so they weren't causing problems

    Was he doing something wrong to be questioned to begin with?
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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Refusing to give your name to a police officer = ASS.

    I wish you well on the street with your thought that you have to agree with the copper that it's a good reason in order for him to legally detain you.
    A police officer has to have a reason to detain someone. Having a badge does not give anyone the authority to simply go about hassling innocent civilians for no reason at all.

    If, in the case described in the OP, the officer had a legitimate reason to be bothering the civilian, she ought to have stated it. If she had no reason, then she shouldn't have been bothering him, and he had every right to walk away. Lacking any reason to be detaining him, her attempt to do so amounted to kidnapping—a criminal act. Her use of her taser against him was an assault—also a criminal act.
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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Why did he give a false name? Why was it an issue that his dogs were off a leash - it seems they were following him so they weren't causing problems

    Was he doing something wrong to be questioned to begin with?
    Because the park was now under the auspices of a different entity and the rules had changed from "no leash required" to "leash required." I can picture a whole bunch of smart alecky responses that might escalate a situation with the LEO. Since the article said he had no identification on him and said he lied about his name, I'm assuming he gave some smart-assed name like Mickey Mouse and then turned to walk away. We don't have all the facts, obviously.

    It sure sounds like she over-reacted to me. But how should an officer who has every right to detain someone for questioning (a right she definitely had, since the guy was arrested and charged) handle it when a guy just turns and walks away? As Grip said, a .45 to the kneecap? Should she try to wrestle him to the ground? Should she just forget about it? That's not how they're trained.
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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    A police officer has to have a reason to detain someone. Having a badge does not give anyone the authority to simply go about hassling innocent civilians for no reason at all.

    If, in the case described in the OP, the officer had a legitimate reason to be bothering the civilian, she ought to have stated it. If she had no reason, then she shouldn't have been bothering him, and he had every right to walk away. Lacking any reason to be detaining him, her attempt to do so amounted to kidnapping—a criminal act. Her use of her taser against him was an assault—also a criminal act.
    In court you'll find the officer is given the benefit of a doubt, especially in accessing a situation. If there's evidence or witness corroboration of abuse of authority then the officer and the force is liable.
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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    A police officer has to have a reason to detain someone. Having a badge does not give anyone the authority to simply go about hassling innocent civilians for no reason at all.

    If, in the case described in the OP, the officer had a legitimate reason to be bothering the civilian, she ought to have stated it. If she had no reason, then she shouldn't have been bothering him, and he had every right to walk away. Lacking any reason to be detaining him, her attempt to do so amounted to kidnapping—a criminal act. Her use of her taser against him was an assault—also a criminal act.
    He was arrested. That says everything.

    Hesterberg, whose age was not available, was arrested on suspicion of failing to obey a lawful order, having dogs off-leash and knowingly providing false information, Levitt said.

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